STA's Friday Night 6v6 2fort League

[Dinosaur Gas]

http://tfc.sta-league.org/

The goal of this league is to attract new players into the league community. Thus, the rule set is geared towards said new players.


League will be 6vs6.
There will be no gameplay rules, such as max d, ovo, etc.
Spawn camping is not allowed.
No class restrictions.
Matches will be Friday nights at 9:30pm EST.
Servers will be provided if needed.


Rules are subject to change, based on what participating clans want.

The rankings/schedule are on the same page as the 9v info. The league is being billed as a "minor league" of sorts in an attempt to get new players to try clan-style play. Everyone is welcomed to join. Seeing as how this is basically another division of 9v, players who are already rostered in 9v will have to be manually added by an admin.

P.S. Those who think it would be fun to put 3 heavys on the bridge and pin noobs in their spawn will be removed from the league.

[Magus]

2fort league play would scare anyone away.

[Jaronius]

2fort league play would scare anyone away.

Not me maggie.

Join my team kitchenface!

[WoBMatt]

Obviously 3 heavies on the bridge is lame but you explicitly state that no gameplay rules will exist...?

[CptBucky33]

Obviously 3 heavies on the bridge is lame but you explicitly state that no gameplay rules will exist...?

The goal of this league is to attract new players into the league community.

Just guessing, but the idea is to give *new players* free reign to learn the game and get better at it; and also there is less risk in allowing new players that free reign. This league isn't for experienced players to mow down newbs - its to breath more life into TFC.

"Dont run 3 HW's" shouldn't even have to be said. Experienced players should recognize their presence in the league should be almost as a tutor, not a detractor. Perhaps some form of hardcore league could be created as well.

[BoSlim]

I know you have good intentions here, but this probably isn't going to work let alone get off the ground. Bucky is right in his ideas but this game isn't bringing in enough new players anymore to make this work. Its too late for new leagues.

[Fornaught]

It's been a long time since STA-TFC reached out to pub players and asked them to join a fun league as their first clan experience. It's hard to do, there is much pub player resistance to 'elitist' leagues. But I'd like to see more willingness to bring in new players, in all the games we offer.

I understand that most of the players in STA are hardcore vets, even in TF2 most of us have played STA in other games. But how long can we flourish on the same recycled player base? We need new players, and we need them for every game.

I think it's a good thing that we have some clan leaders and admins who want to reach out and drag some new blood in :)

[Unique]

I can join any pub server in TFC and play 2fort... why would I want to join a 2fort only league? Makes no sense to me. Sounds like someone is trying to kill the game even more. XPRESS2K4 LEAGUE PLEASE!

[Dinosaur Gas]

I know you have good intentions here, but this probably isn't going to work let alone get off the ground. Bucky is right in his ideas but this game isn't bringing in enough new players anymore to make this work. Its too late for new leagues.

I disagree with you. I've had 7000 unique ids on my pubs in the last months, alot of them new to the game. We can't look at this from the experienced clanner's perspective, who are now sick of the game & the lack of clans. We need to look at this from the perspective of the new guy who just found TFC. The new guy who doesn't care if there are only 6 teams in a league, they just want to play.

I'm not naive, I know this isn't going to be easy. I am also realistic and would not waste my time on something that didn't have a chance.

http://gaschamber.hlstatsx.com/hlstats.php?game=tfc

^ The players are out there........If you build it, noobs will come ;)

I can join any pub server in TFC and play 2fort... why would I want to join a 2fort only league? Makes no sense to me. Sounds like someone is trying to kill the game even more. XPRESS2K4 LEAGUE PLEASE!

This league is not dependent on existing league players to join. We are gearing this towards the more casual group of tfc'ers.

[CptBucky33]

I can join any pub server in TFC and play 2fort... why would I want to join a 2fort only league?

Another rule I'm sure they forgot to mention - no one is allowed to field a team full of bots.

[Dinosaur Gas]

Another rule I'm sure they forgot to mention - no one is allowed to field a team full of bots.

Another positive about the league compared to pubs...

Middle-aged, post-menopause women will not yell at you over voice when you crowbar someone. :)

[di.oof]

laffy taffy?

[!nF3D4L]

laffy taffy?

ROFL was thinking the same thing

[MoonGuardian]

A generally awesome idea, but Dino, the reason you have so many new steam_id's hitting your server is because of one key comment on our server name
"STATS"

That is what I looked for when I first started playing TFC, maybe you should try to incorperate such things. Players LOVE to see individual scores (look at the FOoM Log parser, and the Blarg Log Parser)

[GtsR]

DG. Anything pertaining to the nail exploit? no rules on this?

I know in almost every pub i have played in that runs 2fort, it's almost a given to see it. Infamous on 2fort.

granted we all know its bad sportsmanship or what have you to commit douchebaggory by exploiting but, if all rules are more or less thrown out for the new guys, i'm willing to bet some some of the vets will take advantage of the "tricks" of the game.

either way, if anyone is starting something up, PM me in #cwo / #wolf

[-=PoW=-Crimmy]

Another rule I'm sure they forgot to mention - no one is allowed to field a team full of bots.

only cuz the bots would probably destroy them

[Dinosaur Gas]

A generally awesome idea, but Dino, the reason you have so many new steam_id's hitting your server is because of one key comment on our server name
"STATS"

That is what I looked for when I first started playing TFC, maybe you should try to incorperate such things. Players LOVE to see individual scores (look at the FOoM Log parser, and the Blarg Log Parser)

A good idea. Let me see what I can do. If we were to use my servers for all the matches, I could run the match logs through a program like hlstats, as well as blarghing them. Maybe have a weekly "MVP" or something along those lines.


DG. Anything pertaining to the nail exploit? no rules on this?

I know in almost every pub i have played in that runs 2fort, it's almost a given to see it. Infamous on 2fort.

granted we all know its bad sportsmanship or what have you to commit douchebaggory by exploiting but, if all rules are more or less thrown out for the new guys, i'm willing to bet some some of the vets will take advantage of the "tricks" of the game.

either way, if anyone is starting something up, PM me in #cwo / #wolf

I run the Sparkies server plugin on my pubs, which blocks the nail grenade exploit. We could require servers to run that, in order to keep the llamas under control.

[nitrovengE]

i'd like to help out, at least as a part-timer.
i dont have a server, but would love to lead or be an assistant captain if you have a spot open.
should i recruit players only on your server?
im afraid ill get banned anywhere else.
i also am fairly new still to the leaguing experience, so leading would be a great learning opportunity for me as well.
thx in advance :)
if you have already chosen the captains, thats okay too.

[Jarek]

Obviously 3 heavies on the bridge is lame but you explicitly state that no gameplay rules will exist...?

i can see this going one of two ways...

you get a team that has some experienced medics and just basically run the most asshole defense you can think of

or you get two teams that are even and it will turn out like most 2fort matches in tfl always did... a reason to quit tfc

ill do it though, honestly because 2fort is my 2nd favorite O dm map

[Dinosaur Gas]

i'd like to help out, at least as a part-timer.
i dont have a server, but would love to lead or be an assistant captain if you have a spot open.
should i recruit players only on your server?
im afraid ill get banned anywhere else.
i also am fairly new still to the leaguing experience, so leading would be a great learning opportunity for me as well.
thx in advance :)
if you have already chosen the captains, thats okay too.
Anyone can create a team.

If you have questions, pm me on irc.

[Vector]

DG, Nice job. Regardless of the some of the comments, I think it is nice that you are trying to go outside the box to create some positive excitement within TFC.

[Dinosaur Gas]

1st team has joined. We can start next Friday if we get a few more in.:)

[Dinosaur Gas]

League is up to 4 teams, looking for more. Join one or start your own...it's only 6 people. :eek:

[Dinosaur Gas]

We have 8 teams now. Even Drippy's recently added a team to the league. Come try a fun alternative to Friday night pickups.

[Wonder Boy]

I've been playing this league for about 4 weeks now?.. I don't remember.


I gotta tell you guys who've never leagued before, its so much different than pub 2fort with 10 man defense scorewhores who hide in spawn tossing out a nade whenever they get the chance, this is so much more fun, 6v6 is the perfect number.

[bottle^]

I've been playing this league for about 4 weeks now?.. I don't remember.


I gotta tell you guys who've never leagued before, its so much different than pub 2fort with 10 man defense scorewhores who hide in spawn tossing out a nade whenever they get the chance, this is so much more fun, 6v6 is the perfect number.

like anyone on this forum has never leagued in tfc before roflz.

p.s. no gameplay rules is a terrible idea for a 2fort league, but I guess the 4 people left playing don't care that much

[trentluv]

This is a terrible idea, take it from an actual TFC player. Not having any rules makes the game pointless, more of a medium to exploit things than anything. Having it 6v6 makes it seem like you're just trying to be innovative and original... pointless. Having it on Friday night... insulting. I hope this isn't considered a flame, there really just is no polite way to go about something so obviously stupid. Pubs are more regimented than this.

[sw_vile]

Why not have ADL or this 2fort league on thursday nights? :mmph:

[M C o Z]

This is a terrible idea, take it from an actual TFC player. Not having any rules makes the game pointless, more of a medium to exploit things than anything. Having it 6v6 makes it seem like you're just trying to be innovative and original... pointless. Having it on Friday night... insulting. I hope this isn't considered a flame, there really just is no polite way to go about something so obviously stupid. Pubs are more regimented than this.

Rules are understood, and it really isnt that bad (except the map). Take it from someone who has played in this league.

[Magus]

make it a run league and i'll quit life to play

[trentluv]

The goal of this league is to attract new players into the league community.


What medium's did you plan on using to attract the players? Are you under the impression non TFCers visit the STA website in hopes of finding something to do with their Friday nights? The Catacombs is no place to find these people either. When a league resorts to supplying the servers for matches, it means there is no "market" for this kind of thing.

Rules are understood, and it really isnt that bad (except the map). Take it from someone who has played in this league.

Mcoz, I don't see you in weekly matches, nor do you ever add to pickups. You currently are not a TFC player, and of course the rules are understood,



There will be no gameplay rules, such as max d, ovo, etc.
No class restrictions.



I fail to see how it'd be difficult to understand these rules. #pickup has a better chance of hosting this, and we have all those nasty rules.

[Vr_]

amen!
sounds just like another friday night #pickup to me. #pickup should make its own leage and host league games daily.
WAIT! :shocked:

[Lat.]

Why not have ADL or this 2fort league on thursday nights? :mmph:

That's what I was thinking, now that TFL is out and has been for a while now.

[M C o Z]

Mcoz, I don't see you in weekly matches, nor do you ever add to pickups. You currently are not a TFC player, and of course the rules are understood,


I am currently a TFC player. I havent played the 2fort league in a few weeks, but I play with SNAFU every week for everything but STA 5v and ADL. You havent seen me because I havent played your team since sigma_lowgrens was last played. I play pickups occasionally, most recently last week. Not everyone who leagues TFC plays pickups all the time. Check your facts before calling me out.

Early on there were a few teams made up entirely of pubbers, they somehow found out about the league, and there is very little chance that they have ever been on either the STA site or here. Word of mouth is a pretty powerful medium. Granted, they got beat pretty bad, and now they are gone (all save Drippy's, figure that one).

You're a bit behind the times. This league is almost dead, and hasnt been news for a number of months at this point.

And Dino has been banned for a while, so dont expect a response from him.