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theCops
March 7th, 2008, 05:21 PM
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iqCfEcLca13c5kuTMHRpO_68mftQ


THE HAGUE (AFP) — The international uproar about the planned release of an anti-Islam film by a Dutch far-right MP prompted the Netherlands to raise its terrorism alert level on Thursday.

"While there are no concrete indications of impending attacks in the Netherlands, the increased international terrorism threat has prompted to raise the threat level for the Netherlands from 'limited' to 'substantial'," the justice ministry said.

One of the main reasons for the raising of the alert level is the plan by far right deputy Geert Wilders to air his short movie -- which he says attacks the Koran as a "fascist book" -- in March.

"Compounding the threat is the fact that the Netherlands has been cast in a negative light in the Islamic world due to the tone of the debate on Islam in this country, especially since the announcement of a controversial film on the Koran," the ministry explained.

The international media attention for Wilders movie "has led to the posting of death threats against the Freedom Party leader on one of the leading international jihadist web forums", according to the national anti-terrorism coordinator NCTb.

The Wilders film has caused uproar in Muslim countries, some of whom have called for an economic boycott of the Netherlands if the film is shown. Iran, Egypt and Pakistan all voiced criticism about the film.

In Afghanistan hundreds of protesters took to the streets Wednesday to protest the film, whilst the Taliban has already vowed revenge against the 1,600 Dutch soldiers stationed in the country if the movie is shown.

The Dutch government has twice tried and failed to convince Wilders not to broadcast his film, fearing a repeat of the worldwide protests which met the publication of satirical Danish cartoons of the prophet Mohammed.

It has already warned its embassies in Muslim countries to be on the alert.

On Wednesday Dutch Foreign Minister Maxime Verhagen met with ambassadors from 30 Muslims countries at the request of the Organisation for the Islamic Conference (OIC) to explain The Hague's stance about the film.

The Dutch government says it supports Wilders right to freedom of expression but stressed that does not mean The Hague shares his opinions.

Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said last Friday that the government has tried to show Wilders "the possible consequences of his actions".

"Already we have to consider there are serious risks for Dutch nationals and Dutch businesses in several countries. It is our duty to point this out to Mr. Wilders," Balkenende said.

But Wilders, whose Freedom Party holds 9 of the 150 parliamentary seats, has said repeatedly he will not bow to pressure.

The deputy is still trying to find a broadcaster to air his film but De Volkskrant newspaper reported Thursday that no Dutch television station had agreed to air it.

It is likely that Wilders will present the film at a press conference and on the Internet on the website www.fitnathemovie.com which he has already reserved. It is due to be aired before the end of this month

The film, which lasts around 15 minutes, is called "Fitna", which in Arabic means war, or division, in the heart of Islam.

The film has yet to be shown to the public, but a Dutch newspaper which has seen excerpts said it showed Koranic texts with video footage of beheadings.

The UN and NATO have both expressed concerns about the film while the European Commission has warned its overseas offices of the risk of protests related to Wilders' movie.

Ok, obviously this is one extremist being extreme, and I doubt anyone thinks all muslims are inevitably as extreme/uncompromising in their views as this film might want you to think.

Should there be free speech in this form? Is free speech being abused? Is a limit a bad idea at this point, particularly whether or not to allow hate speech from either side of this, which is likely to shape up to be a disaster (think Muhammad cartoon and the destruction as a result of it). Is it just to ban free speech in this form? Should action be taken against those who provoke by offending, and/or those who are "reacting" to being offended?

I'm of the opinion that banning hate speech is to allow someone to decide for you what's hateful and what isn't, being the government or some other sub-section of the community.

That seems wrong to me, as the most likely individual to decide what's hateful and what isn't is no one but the individual. Not only that, I doubt some law of western liberal democracy is going to be much of a deterrent to the most committed Islamic fundamentalist.

Toastie
March 7th, 2008, 06:21 PM
I think free speech is fine... but ive always believed that consequences are always necessary to make it where free speech is used when appropriate... For example if you talk some bullshit, you have every right to... but expect to get your ass whipped for it.

Same shit here, if you feel strongly enough to make some film generalizing an entire group, expect to get bombed in the manner which you present them.

Freedom of speech is cool, but if there were never any consequences to what people said it turns rediculous... you get IRL Cesspool

MightyCawdoR
March 7th, 2008, 10:50 PM
People bad mouth religions everywhere and for Islamics to get bent out of shape over this is absurd. It is also extremely stupid to think this guy, or anyone for that matter, deserves to die simply because some don't like what he has to say. The guy should just come here and broadcast it, they already hate us anyways. Where is the uproar from the Islamic community whenever an extremist uses their interpretation's of the Koran as their right to blow up innocent civilians who also practice the same religion.

BlackThoughT
March 8th, 2008, 12:32 AM
Freedom of speech is cool, but if there were never any consequences to what people said it turns rediculous... you get IRL Cesspool

or people could not overreact when dumb people say dumb stuff
unrealistic for everyone to always do it but you get the idea

stas
March 8th, 2008, 01:04 AM
free speech is more important. you cant start giving in to what offends people because it's a slippery slope. whats a reasonable line to draw?

BlackThoughT
March 8th, 2008, 12:50 PM
its only going to get worse with what is and isnt politically correct and what offends people.

AGT-Shady
March 8th, 2008, 01:43 PM
A retaliation is only going to confirm what the film alleges.

theCops
March 8th, 2008, 01:59 PM
A retaliation is only going to confirm what the film alleges.

Agreed. A violent example against what this film is suggesting will not help Islam, it will only help argument against Islam. There's plenty of weight against it's "religion of peace" claim already.

The fundamentalists and radicals (their numbers are estimated at 60-90 million, more than any conventional army strength western nations could muster) are saying through their actions much more than this film can possibly hope to say.

dylan
March 8th, 2008, 06:18 PM
yep, radical islam is ruining the world

Toastie
March 8th, 2008, 09:48 PM
I somewhat agree, and ive never did any retaliating personally... but if dude got assassinated tomorrow i wouldnt be sad for him

MightyCawdoR
March 9th, 2008, 04:21 AM
I don't think anyone on this board would be particularly sad if something happens to the guy or anyone else, but that still doesn't mean anyone deserves it simply because some people don't like what he has to say. If you missed it in the article, they aren't talking about just going after the guy but also people who had absolutely nothing to do with it other than they were born in the same freaking country as the guy. I'm sure if you had some sort of personal connection to him though, you'd probably think a lot differently on the matter.

leg
March 9th, 2008, 01:49 PM
If this guy does get killed, it wouldn't be the first time that it has happened over there.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/728673811.html?dids=728673811:728673811&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Nov+03%2C+2004&author=Sebastian+Rotella+and+Douglas+Heingartner&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&desc=The+World%3B+Outspoken+Dutch+Film+Director+Sl ain%3B+An+Islamist+is+suspected+of+killing+Theo+Va n+Gogh%2C+whose+new+movie+assails+abuse+of+women+i n+Muslim+societies.&pqatl=google

PerPlexeD
March 9th, 2008, 06:08 PM
Islam is pretty epic fail.

Toastie
March 10th, 2008, 06:39 PM
fk it

theCops
March 23rd, 2008, 06:06 PM
NSI just yanked wilders' hosting. www.fitnathemovie.com

Pakistan lifts it's youtube ban, then reinstates it:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/26/pakistan.youtube.ap/index.html



On Tuesday, some 300 students rallied at a university in Multan, carrying banners denouncing Denmark, the United States and President Pervez Musharraf -- the latest in a series of small protests held by Islamic students in Pakistan.

Umer Abbasi, a leader of the protest, urged all Muslim countries to follow Pakistan in blocking offensive material on the Internet.

"If you look deeply, America can be seen behind all anti-Muslim moves around the world," Abbasi told the crowd, which later burned Danish and American flags.
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Authorities wanted to prevent Islamic hard-liners from seizing on the Wilders clips, said Abdullah Riar, Pakistan's minister for information technology and telecommunications.

"We are already in the spotlight on the issue of intolerance and extremism and terrorism," Riar said, "and this is something that somebody is doing by design to excite and insinuate Islamic sentiments."