2008 NFL Draft

[BlackThoughT]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3358424
Jake Long apparently agreed to contract with Dolphins to become first overall pick on saturday. Confirmation press conference at 1:45 pm today

probably going to watch at least the first round

Round 1:
1 Miami Dolphins - Jake Long??
2 St. Louis Rams
3 Atlanta Falcons
4 Oakland Raiders
5 Kansas City Chiefs
6 New York Jets
7 New England Patriots
8 Baltimore Ravens
9 Cincinnati Bengals
10 New Orleans Saints
11 Buffalo Bills
12 Denver Broncos
13 Carolina Panthers
14 Chicago Bears
15 Detroit Lions
16 Arizona Cardinals
17 Minnesota Vikings
18 Houston Texans
19 Philadelphia Eagles
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
21 Washington Redskins
22 Dallas Cowboys
23 Pittsburgh Steelers
24 Tennessee Titans
25 Seattle Seahawks
26 Jacksonville Jaguars
27 San Diego Chargers
28 Dallas Cowboys
29 San Francisco 49ers
30 Green Bay Packers
31 New York Giants

[Sutterkane]

we will take either a DE or a WR in the 1st. possibly a left tackle, but i think that's a long shot.

[Telos]

Pittsburgh better somehow get some O-line help this year.

[ruker]

Alright Jake!!! Now to see where Henne, Manningham, Hart, and Arrington go. Thankfully they shortened time between draft picks this year so I can actually stand to watch some of the first round.

[BlackThoughT]

Longs contract reported 5 yrs, 57.75 million (30 guaranteed)

[Suicidal Anomaly]

As interested as I am in the draft I can't really wait until it's over because I'm tired of hearing about it.

[Magus]

As interested as I am in the draft I can't really wait until it's over because I'm tired of hearing about it.

indeed

the cowboys should go secondary and o-line. but they are stupid and will go RB/WR or something.

[AGT-Shady]

Pittsburgh better somehow get some O-line help this year.


OL
OL/Power RB/Big WR - Best value
OL/Power RB/Big WR - Best value not already selected
FS/CB
DL

In that order is what I'd like to see unless a strong CB/FS jumps off the chart in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Some specific players that could fall to us pas tthe 1st round or be available in the later rounds in no particular order:

Cory Boyd, RB, South Carolina
Geoff Schwartz, OL, Oregon
Tommy Blake, DE, TCU
Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas
Mario Urrutia, WR, Louisville - Visited Pitt yesterday

[-Serialchilla-]

Saints need O line badly

[AGT-Shady]

Skins offer '08 first-rounder, '09 pick for Johnson; Cincy says no:

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands? Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first-round draft picks, team and league sources said.

I really think they're being stupid, he wants to leave and you have a team that likely to miss the playoffs thowing two 1st-rounders at you, TAKE IT!

[Hellsy]

Eagles need:

CB
S
DE
PR
FB

And anything on the O line. I don't care how they move them around.

All this talk of a WR is stupid.

If they can dump some of their surplus picks and Lito for a wideout, FINE.

I wager they go OLman in the first, maybe even trade up, being as Reid has a stiffy for the Oline.

Trade up for Gholston and I would be a happy boy.

[ruker]

As interested as I am in the draft I can't really wait until it's over because I'm tired of hearing about it.

I'm more tired of seeing Mel Kiper Jr.'s babbling face every 30 seconds. Him and John Clayton are annoying just to look at!

[BlackThoughT]

I really think they're being stupid, he wants to leave and you have a team that likely to miss the playoffs thowing two 1st-rounders at you, TAKE IT!

agreed, while the bengals are unlikely to get somone of 85's talent at WR in this years draft, they could definitly be better suited using those two 1st rounders to fix some of their other problems

I'm more tired of seeing Mel Kiper Jr.'s babbling face every 30 seconds. Him and John Clayton are annoying just to look at!


Again, agreed. But surely you enjoy seeing Kiper blow a gasket when things like Brady Quinn dropping to 22nd in last years draft happen.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

I really think they're being stupid, he wants to leave and you have a team that likely to miss the playoffs thowing two 1st-rounders at you, TAKE IT!
I agree that it's a good deal, but the problem with trading him is that it causes an $8 million cap hit and the Bengals are currently something like $7.5 million below the cap right now, before signing rookies, including #9 overall. I'm not surely it's financially possible to trade him.

Amen to the people calling Kiper a tool. I plan to watch the draft on NFL Network. Mayock is a much better analyst than Kiper and is about 387302124 times less annoying.

[Kuniva]

As a longtime fins fan I like their decision to go with Long, unlike Gallery who hasn't produced, I think Long is gonna be very good for a long time and give Ronnie Brown (in my opinion a very underated back) and Ricky a chance to run wild. Now if Henne or Brohm(unlikely) would slip outta the first round, I'd like to see the Fins pick either of them up, I know Beck isn't the answer at QB, they need to get someone. Flacco wouldn't be too shabby either.

[GtsR]

Seahawks release Shaun Alexander

[AGT-Shady]

As a longtime fins fan I like their decision to go with Long, unlike Gallery who hasn't produced, I think Long is gonna be very good for a long time and give Ronnie Brown (in my opinion a very underated back) and Ricky a chance to run wild. Now if Henne or Brohm(unlikely) would slip outta the first round, I'd like to see the Fins pick either of them up, I know Beck isn't the answer at QB, they need to get someone. Flacco wouldn't be too shabby either.


If you meant the Raiders's Gallery he was rated MUCH higher coming out of college than Long is, they were comparing Gallery to Pace and Ogden. I can't imagine we'll see another OL bust that bad in the next decade but I'm not sure why you brought him up as the top of the OT crop this year isn't rated at that career Pro Bowl level. I too think it's the right pick for them tho, with so few can't miss skill players why not take the best OL available.

[AGT-Shady]

Pro Bowl defensive end Jared Allen was traded from Kansas City to the Minnesota Vikings in a blockbuster deal, making the Chiefs one of the major players in this weekend's NFL Draft. Kansas City gets Minnesota's first-round pick, No. 17 overall, and both of the Vikings' third-round selections, a person close to the negotiations said Wednesday

That seems to be a lot to give up for a team still missing some significant pieces to me.

[Magus]

I would give up those picks. I don't understand the value that NFL teams place on these picks. The chance of finding a talent in the 3rd round can't be much better than the chance of finding a talent in the 4th, can it?

[AGT-Shady]

It actually is - the end of the 3rd round is GENERALLY where they drawn the line between possible starters and possible make the teamers. A lot of NFL teams have starters at many positions from the 3rd round, my Steelers have like 6 of them.

Best 3rd rounders in recent history I could find were:

Jason Witten
Lance Briggs
Joey Porter
Justin Tuck
Mike Vrabel
Brian Westbrook
Steve Smith
Ronde Barber
Jason Taylor
Hines Ward

Best 4th Rounders:

Asante Samuel
Marion Barber
Jared Allen
Rudi Johson

[Trex]

I know it looks like a lot, Shady, but me and most other non-retarded Viking fans that I talk to are in favor of this. We see it as giving up two thirds, because the best defensive end we were going to see at 17 was Merling, who doesn't exactly grade out to that pick at that time-- and let's face it, Vikings first round DEs typically suck unless we move them to tackle.

I'm assuming the other weaknesses you're talking about on our team, at least on the defensive side of the ball, are in the secondary. I think depth at safety is a need that will be addressed in this draft but we like our two young corners in Marcus McCauley and Cedric Griffin. I think getting a beast of a defensive end who's only 26 will only make them better.

Otherwise, what needs were you talking about?

It all depends on Tarvaris Jackson, which sucks. But besides obvious needs that pretty much every team has like more depth on the o-line, I don't see another glaring hole besides maybe a tight end that our dual third rounders would have solved.

I would like everyone to refrain from the "rar rar rar Vikings don't have a quarterback rar rar rar" and just assume that Tarvaris will put on his best David Garrard impression and try to be as efficient as he was when given opportunities to play during his third year in the league.

The only thing that sucks about this is that now I expect the Vikings to make the playoffs in some capacity-- and I hate having expectations.

But hey-- it's a big name coming to Minnesota, not leaving. I'll take it.

[Sutterkane]

It actually is - the end of the 3rd round is GENERALLY where they drawn the line between possible starters and possible make the teamers. A lot of NFL teams have starters at many positions from the 3rd round, my Steelers have like 6 of them.


It's true, there are a lot of players that get overlooked because of their combine workouts not being as good as others. Some players just have that "it" (I hate saying that) or whatever you want to call it and are just good ball players. Not to mention that players around this part of the draft are very easy to keep on your roster or practice squad as they are generally signed for dirt cheap. It's where a team develops its depth and gives your starters a chance to get a breather. You can also develop some awesome talent that is still very raw from the later rounds.

[AGT-Shady]

I know it looks like a lot, Shady, but me and most other non-retarded Viking fans that I talk to are in favor of this.

I hear ya, and having a strong DE in his prime is a big plus. I was thinking secondary/TE/WR*/QB when I made that post, but overall I would have thought the Chiefs would have taken less, everyone and their mother knows they're on a huge rebuilding process they started 2 years ago and that Allen had no intention of going back there, maybe someone else was in the thick of it and the Vikes had to pony up to get him.



*(I know you have a bunch now but their situation reminds me of Washington when they had LLoyd/Randle El/Moss - having a bunch of number 2-3's is not the same as have a true #1)

[BigSerd]

I'm a big Vikes fan and I like this deal a lot. Was their pass defense horrible last year? Absolutely, but I felt all along last year that it was more a result of not being able to put any pressure on the QB rather than the secondary being bad. This gives them 3 Pro Bowl players on the DL and is going to cause some serious problems for teams trying to block them.

As far as the QB situation goes, I am not sure that Jackson is the long term answer at QB but honestly, with average QB play last year the Vikes would have been a wild card team and this year with an improved defense, I don't see any reason why average QB play couldn't allow them to contend for the division title. I'd be thrilled with them getting a new TE to replace Stone Hands Shiancoe and safety depth would be nice since Sharper is getting up there in age but I am pretty happy with the trade overall.

[Sutterkane]

*(I know you have a bunch now but their situation reminds me of Washington when they had LLoyd/Randle El/Moss - having a bunch of number 2-3's is not the same as have a true #1)

you could always have a bunch of number 3-4s like the titans do and not have any #2 or #1.

[Trex]

I see where you're coming from regarding our wideouts. I am by no means an NFL scout, but Sidney Rice certainly showed flashes of brilliant play last year as a rookie and was said to be an undercl@ssman (haha it bleeps that out if I don't have the @) who probably would have been a first round pick had he come out this year. I think a lot of people in Minnesota are expecting him to become a legit Z within a few years.

I know we have five receivers under contract for next season right now so I guess we'll see this weekend if/when they select a receiver.

I would hope they would consider another O-lineman or two before taking another receiver though, as I think the stable we have now is certainly capable of handing a seasons worth of passes.

On another note, Shady-- I hope your Steelers find a way to get Mewelde Moore the ball ~10 times a game (probably including punt returns). I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with him.

[AGT-Shady]

I can't express how thrilled I'd be with him if he actually puts some danger into our kick return game, we haven't had dick since Antwan left.

[Telos]

Holmes had some good returns. He just kept fumbling at the end of them :(

[AGT-Shady]

Yeah sorry, I should have specified danger for the OPPOSING team. :p

[crosby]

I hope the jets get mcfadden

[BlackThoughT]

mcfadden will probably go at 4

[bravE]

Hopefully the Raiders pick Mcfadden.. but the way they make decisions... Who knows.:doh:

[AGT-Shady]

If the Falcons are gonna take Ryan at 3 - I'd be stunned of they didn't trade with the Jets at 6 to let them take McFadden. They could take either theirs or the Jet's 2nd rounder and snag one of the other elite QBs in the draft. If Dorsey is there at #3 I think they take him and still snag Brohm or Flecko with their early 2nd rounder.

[bravE]

Falcons are definetly taking Ryan here

edit: lol, its kinda obvious now watching him and his family giddily laugh while looking at a cell being texted "were picking you". :/ Same with Long. Get rid of the cellphones.

[bravE]

Mcfadden Next! Let's go!:pray::pray:


edit: theres that cell again, WTF? why are they ruining the suspense...

[AGT-Shady]

Raiders should take Dorsey - they have RBs. (but they won't)

[BlackThoughT]

Chris long at 2 to the rams
matt ryan at 3 to the falcons
darren mcfadden at 4 to the raiders

[bravE]

WOOOO! Rookie of the year right here, hopefully Mcfadden will be a beast like he was in College for many years for the lowly Raiders.:whoo::whoo::whoo:


Shady I don't think fargas or any other rb is a legit top rb tbh.. I am glad they chose Mcfadden to go along with Russell and maybe fargas as a nice 1-2 punch.

[AGT-Shady]

I hear you and I don't think those other RBs are much more than average either, but Bush hasn't had a real shot yet and as weiner as their O-line is, I'm not sure their O is gonna do a lot no matter who's back there. But Dorsey on their D-line combined with Harris up front and Hall and Huff in the 2ndary would give them a Ravenesque defense that could have helped hide some of their offensive woes.

[bravE]

Their defense has been pretty good the past couple years, that's not the problem. Raiders need Offensive superstars, whether it will be a couple years to flourish or not gonna need to get em when you can. Lol at Dorsey started clapping when Chiefs picked, and didn't hear the name and said "Is it me?" then someone told him yes and he stood up.



Who do the Jets pick here?

[BlackThoughT]

pats either better take DRC or Sedrick Ellis oor trade down

[AGT-Shady]

Yeah it has been good, but there's a bunch of good defenses, they could have pushed passed those to elite. There's nothing wrong with picking MdFadden as he's a beast, but an elite defense gives them an identity.

[_loche]

pats either better take DRC or Sedrick Ellis oor trade down

mckelvin will go before cromartie

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

Mayock is a beast with his predictions.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

In the AFC West the Raiders have to go up against some good runners and good running teams. Michael Bush was projected to be a possible top 5 pick before he broke his leg and they should at least give him a shot first. Dorsey should be a beast and would have helped that defense out. As a Bronco fan I'm glad they took McFadden who isn't a bad pick at all but I think a guy like Dorsey would have helped them out more.

Edit - they were the second worst team against the rush last year. They were "good" against the pass but probably because teams were putting up 140+ YPG on the ground so teams ran on them more.

[_loche]

fuck da chiefs

[Thrash]

Mayock is a beast with his predictions.

Better than Kiper. Always.

[AGT-Shady]

In the AFC West the Raiders have to go up against some good runners and good running teams. Michael Bush was projected to be a possible top 5 pick before he broke his leg and they should at least give him a shot first. Dorsey should be a beast and would have helped that defense out. As a Bronco fan I'm glad they took McFadden who isn't a bad pick at all but I think a guy like Dorsey would have helped them out more.

Edit - they were the second worst team against the rush last year. They were "good" against the pass but probably because teams were putting up 140+ YPG on the ground so teams ran on them more.

Thank you, my thoughts exactly.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

Love the trade by the Eagles. Moved back 25 spots and pick up a 1st next year, plus a 4th which may be used as ammunition to trade back up.

[AGT-Shady]

Yeah I like that they got some good quality and future picks, but I gotta wonder with some of their anchors getting up in years is this them admitting they can't compete with the Cowboys and Giants in the near future and trying to stock the cupboards for 3-4 years down the road? They had Otah fall right into their lap and passed while their O-line is getting oooollldddddddd.

[goldplatypus]

the lions suck again in the first round

[ruker]

Amazing, Henne (and Flacco) were still on the board when the Lions were up. And they pick a tackle?! Well, at least it wasn't a WR, again.

[BlackThoughT]

mckelvin will go before cromartie

you win,

Hope the pats pick up one of the other CBs on the board that they had looked at. Talib and Cason i think

[goldplatypus]

Amazing, Henne (and Flacco) were still on the board when the Lions were up. And they pick a tackle?! Well, at least it wasn't a WR, again.

henne blows. they should have picked mendenhall

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

Yeah I like that they got some good quality and future picks, but I gotta wonder with some of their anchors getting up in years is this them admitting they can't compete with the Cowboys and Giants in the near future and trying to stock the cupboards for 3-4 years down the road? They had Otah fall right into their lap and passed while their O-line is getting oooollldddddddd.

The problem with Otah is that he is going to be a RT in the NFL. They drafted Justice high in the second two years ago and aren't ready to give up on him, despite his one horrible game. If one of the players that project as LTs was still there (Williams, Clady, Albert, etc), I think they might have stayed put. They really didn't need another potential RT.

I heard that the Eagles were trying to trade up a few spots to target Otah or Albert, but KC beat them to the punch and took Albert. Considering they could have stayed put at 19 and gotten Otah and chose not to take him, I assume to the true target was Albert, a potential franchise LT. (which I would have loved)

Nice value on Mendenhall, btw.

[Telos]

Steelers get Mendehall. I am surprised he lasted that long, and ecstatic about that pick!

[AGT-Shady]

I like it too and love the value, but we better get a fucking OL with the 2nd pick or we're not gonna make much progress this year.

The Chiefs are raping this draft thus far, maybe it won't take them as long to get relevant it seemed.

[Hellsy]

Eagles put more depth in at DT... but neglect the Oline? Hopefully tomorrow they remedy that. Runyan is getting so old he's falling down in the shower. When they hit 19 I was sure Otah was a LOCK.

Jackson is a nice pick, but.. Eagles fans are already proclaiming him the next Steve Smith (because Jerry Rice said so!). His return ability is nice-- but I wonder if that could have been addressed in later rounds.

I don't like small receivers on the bump. Curtis goes slot now and have Jackson burn down the field is probably their thinking. Plus, it is a half-hearted "play-maker" for McNabb.

It is an odd feeling to be more excited about stealing that fast little shit from Miami for a 4th rounder.

[Trex]

I thought the Vikings were trading up to get Brohm ahead of Chicago, but I definitely see where they're going with Tyrell Johnson. Dude is an absolute beast and I really liked the way he represented himself in the few interviews I heard of him. I also love the fact that he'll get to chill for a year assuming Sharper stays healthy and focus on lighting people up on special teams. I see this kid being extremely entertaining to watch in a few years.

This defense is getting oh so very legit and I'm loving every second of it.

So which one of you guys wants your team to land Dan Connor in the third round? Talk about value...

[JMC]

Adding Mendenhall to Parker, and always using Davenport on the goal line, Mike Tomlin is quickly becoming a pain in the ass in the fantasy world.


I don't know how the Raiders can afford to sign McFadden after their outrageous spending on off-season acquisitions. It's especially weird since they already have Lamont Jordan, Justin Fargas, Dominic Rhodes, and Michael Bush. But by picking him up they allowed KC to have an amazing draft.

[Magus]

i dont understand the eagles. if you're rebuilding so much that you're willing to trade back in order to receive a pick next year, why keep mcnabb around? It makes no sense. They couldn't possibly think they didn't have holes to fill, could they?

As for the Cowboys, I hated the Felix Jones pick, loved the Jenkins pick. A TE doesn't make much sense in the second round. We essentially drafted two backup skill positions. How about O-line help? How about more secondary picks? Depth at LB? gah.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

i dont understand the eagles. if you're rebuilding so much that you're willing to trade back in order to receive a pick next year, why keep mcnabb around? It makes no sense. They couldn't possibly think they didn't have holes to fill, could they?
Honestly, unless you liked Otah, all the other need-based players would have been major reaches at 19. Biggest needs for me were S, WR, OL, DT, RS:

-No WR was worth 19. No WR went in the first round, even. I personally would have liked to try to trade back up into the bottom of the the first to take Devin Thomas, but whatever.
-No S was worth 19. One safety went in the first round, at the last pick.
-After using 1st on Bunkley and Patterson, I didn't really want to spend 19 on a DT and only Balmer really had any value there. They took a guy a round later that fills their need at a 3rd DT.
-Otah was fine value at 19, but he's going to be a RT, which they don't need. I hated all the other OT picks around that spot (Cherilus at 17, Baker at 21, Brown at 26) and thought they were all major reaches. For all the Eagles fans that whine that there is no immediate help, all the possible o-linemen (except for maybe Albert, who could start at LG) would have spent the entire year on the bench.
-I absolutely did not want Jackson at 19 because I question whether he'll be able to make an impact as a WR at his size, but he's the best punt returner in the draft and, if he has bulked up as much as he says he has, he might be able to return kickoffs too.

I would much rather move back 25 spots and get a haul of draft picks than take a major reach.

[Telos]

I loved the Steeler's picks until Dixon. We are set at the QB and backup QB spot, and I really think the pick could have been better used. The only thing I can think of is that they might try to shop Batch to another team in a trade, since the guy could probably start for a few teams out there.

[BlackThoughT]

Amazing, Henne (and Flacco) were still on the board when the Lions were up. And they pick a tackle?! Well, at least it wasn't a WR, again.

the lions will be going with a QB-by-committee this year

Jon Kitna and Jesus

[AGT-Shady]

I loved the Steeler's picks until Dixon. We are set at the QB and backup QB spot, and I really think the pick could have been better used. The only thing I can think of is that they might try to shop Batch to another team in a trade, since the guy could probably start for a few teams out there.

I didn't mind so much because I think they'll use him as a gimick player for his first few seasons as he learns the offense and then have him replace Batch, Batch's starting window has passed and he's getting up in years. The kid was just coming into his own before he got hurt, he reminds me of a raw Randall Cunningham.

[BlackThoughT]

the next kordell stewart!

[Redneck]

Does anyone else get tired of the 24/7/365 coverage of the NFL? Jesus Christ, the regular season is entertaining and the playoffs are incredible but I could care less about so-and-so getting arrested, holding out from training camp, running an illegal dogfighting ring, etc. The draft is just a wasted weekend that ESPN could be using for baseball or something else really.

/end rant

[AGT-Shady]

No, noone gets tired of heaing ANYTHING about the NFL when the alternative is baseball, go fuck yourself.

[BlackThoughT]

well, the draft is a different thing, it is pretty interesting and important (first day anyhow) but the rest I agree with you, definitly.

[Redneck]

I think the first day is important, but the build-up is just so long and then the wall-to-wall coverage for an entire weekend? It is just oversaturating the NFL for me. Shady, what's wrong with baseball? Too boring? Fucking cry, it's still better than listening to two faggoty ass nerds (Kiper and McShay) yelling at each other about why Aquib Talib should be the #20 pick instead of the #19 pick.

[Toastie]

I didn't mind so much because I think they'll use him as a gimick player for his first few seasons as he learns the offense and then have him replace Batch, Batch's starting window has passed and he's getting up in years. The kid was just coming into his own before he got hurt, he reminds me of a raw Randall Cunningham.

ha.. funny you say that though because Randall Cunningham actually mentor'd him in the summer of his senior season in HS

Buffalo got a steal though. Steve Johnson will be what Jarrad Page is at KC... 7th rounder who will eventually make an impact, although Page was almost immediate and Johnson will take a lil while

the next kordell stewart!

He'll be better than a Kordell Stewart, he is a good enough QB to play QB... he just needs to get bigger

[XDog00]

i love football, but baseball > football

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

i love football, but baseball > football
Eww...

[bravE]

playing baseball > playing football

watching football > watching baseball


fixed xpup ;D

[BlackThoughT]

He'll be better than a Kordell Stewart, he is a good enough QB to play QB... he just needs to get bigger

well its not tough to be better than a kordell stewart, I was just makin the "gimmick player" joke, as in when kordell stewart sucked they would stick him at WR

[linkfish]

Packers got Jordy Nelson, youtube him if you didnt watch him at kstate.

[AGT-Shady]

well its not tough to be better than a kordell stewart, I was just makin the "gimmick player" joke, as in when kordell stewart sucked they would stick him at WR

You've got it twisted, he was a stud as slot receiver, it was when he started playing solely QB that the suck happened. (but for the record I was thinking more like Randle El but with legit passing ability)

Shady, what's wrong with baseball? Too boring? Fucking cry, it's still better than listening to two faggoty ass nerds (Kiper and McShay) yelling at each other about why Aquib Talib should be the #20 pick instead of the #19 pick.

What's sad is it's really not better than that, and you're the one crying. :focus:

[BlackThoughT]

I wasnt saying he wasnt good at reciever, just bad at QB

[Redneck]

I was ranting and you haven't done anything other than assert that you are correct and, of course, there is no other possible opinion.

[AGT-Shady]

You're right, my bad. :hug:

[Jarek]

No, noone gets tired of heaing ANYTHING about the NFL when the alternative is baseball, go fuck yourself.

incorrect i prefer to block out everything nfl related that occured after January 20th

[Redneck]

haha...it's just weird to me when I talk to someone who doesn't like baseball. I've played all my life and I could pretty much do nothing but sit and drink beer while I watch the Cubs play in the afternoon followed by a couple more games that night.

edit: And I love football but like I said it just gets to be too much sometimes.

[Magus]

Honestly, unless you liked Otah, all the other need-based players would have been major reaches at 19. Biggest needs for me were S, WR, OL, DT, RS:

-No WR was worth 19. No WR went in the first round, even. I personally would have liked to try to trade back up into the bottom of the the first to take Devin Thomas, but whatever.
-No S was worth 19. One safety went in the first round, at the last pick.

I would much rather move back 25 spots and get a haul of draft picks than take a major reach.

So a player's final draft position is the determinant for their worth? I question that kind of logic.

You're saying that because Kenny Phillips was drafted late in the first round, he wasn't worth it 10 picks earlier? Are you also going to say that Flacco was worth a mid-first rounder? Was Brandon Albert not worth a top 10 pick simply because he didn't go in the top 10? Was Glenn Dorsey not worth a top 3 pick because he went #5? Your logic is stupid. The Eagles were a team with a need for starters, so they should've made the move to acquire one.

[Sutterkane]

i hate every single one of our picks. probably the worst draft the franchise has ever had.

[AGT-Shady]

Yeah man they're ripping the Titans's draft in almost every analysis. :rip:

[Sutterkane]

i honestly look over the list of names and wonder how any of them even got on our draft board.

we desperately need any help we can get at WR and had the entire lot to pick from as none had been taken yet, and we pick another goddamn running back. In the last THREE drafts, we've taken at least 1 back out of the first two rounds. we drafted for shit that was already good or we already had plenty of. we drafted way too much defense and running game, which was already doing very well. i felt like the one DE and the late round LB were ok, but the additional DE was not necessary. we drafted another TE, and we already have like 3 of them. it's obvious that we are striving to be a very boring, defensive, run-oriented team.

[AGT-Shady]

Well you guys got kind of positionally screwed too. Apparently they were set to take Felix Jones (who is much better at the role they want that EC runner to play) but Dallas scooped him 2 spots before, and then again in the second round were gonna take Sweed but we grabbed him the pick before. I kinda get the feel that they did a lot of hurried scrambling before their picks and had they had more time to think them thru might have made better decisions.

[_loche]

So a player's final draft position is the determinant for their worth? I question that kind of logic.

You're saying that because Kenny Phillips was drafted late in the first round, he wasn't worth it 10 picks earlier? Are you also going to say that Flacco was worth a mid-first rounder? Was Brandon Albert not worth a top 10 pick simply because he didn't go in the top 10? Was Glenn Dorsey not worth a top 3 pick because he went #5? Your logic is stupid. The Eagles were a team with a need for starters, so they should've made the move to acquire one.

no one was worth taking at 19 when you could get a 2 and 4 and a shitty team's 1 next year. john runyan and tra thomas are getting old, but with winston justice behind thomas at lt, there was no need for otah or albert. there wasnt one person at 19 that would have been an immediate impact as a starter.

they got desean jackson who will give them a return game, some more depth on the d line, and a few db's that could be groomed to replace either dawkins or lito in the next few years. i was skeptic at first, but i thought it was a decent draft for them.

[ALieN]

You're saying that because Kenny Phillips was drafted late in the first round, he wasn't worth it 10 picks earlier?
Well I'm definitely happy that Kenny Phillips was able to slide all the way through the first round to the Giants because that was a big need. I also can't believe someone didn't snatch up Andre Woodson before we got him. I think we got some solid picks, I'm excited to see Manningham in the lineup next year as another passing threat.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

So a player's final draft position is the determinant for their worth? I question that kind of logic.

You're saying that because Kenny Phillips was drafted late in the first round, he wasn't worth it 10 picks earlier? Are you also going to say that Flacco was worth a mid-first rounder? Was Brandon Albert not worth a top 10 pick simply because he didn't go in the top 10? Was Glenn Dorsey not worth a top 3 pick because he went #5? Your logic is stupid.
I'm not saying that is necessarily the case. Some players (hi Dan Connor) drop too far for some unknown reasons. On the flip side, some players get drafted far too high (hi Ted Ginn). However, most players are generally drafted where they should be, which is indicative of their value.

Kenny Phillips was drafted about where he should have gone. He was not worth the 19th spot. A dozen spots in the first round is a chasm of a difference. He has overrated athleticism, is not a ballhawk, has questionable coverage skills and has had his reputation largely enhanced by the better safeties his school has produced. He certainly was not worth Trevor Laws, Mike McGlynn and a Carolina first next year.

The Eagles were a team with a need for starters, so they should've made the move to acquire one.
I hate this asinine complaint that a lot of Eagles fans make. Sorry, but who exactly in this draft would have started for the Eagles? Even ignoring the fact that the Eagles almost never start rookies, I don't see anybody after #8 that would have, after Derrick Harvey was picked. Phillips sure as hell wouldn't have. He has a lot of learning to do and the Eagles sure as hell aren't going to trot out a rookie with shitty coverage skills against the Cowboys and Giants passing attacks. None of the Olinemen would have. None of the WRs would have. Sure as hell none of the CBs would, especially considering Lito wasn't traded.

The two players they took in the second will likely have more of an impact this year than anybody they considered at 19. There is nothing behind Bunkley/Paterson, so Laws will get some snaps, and the return game of the Eagles has always been pisspoor for the 97% of the time that Westbrook isn't back there.

[Sutterkane]

Well you guys got kind of positionally screwed too. Apparently they were set to take Felix Jones (who is much better at the role they want that EC runner to play) but Dallas scooped him 2 spots before, and then again in the second round were gonna take Sweed but we grabbed him the pick before. I kinda get the feel that they did a lot of hurried scrambling before their picks and had they had more time to think them thru might have made better decisions.

I agree with you on that too (on the position screwing). I just think that just because we get screwed out of 1 pick, we shouldn't screw ourselves out of 2. We should've picked the best WR we could have with our 1st round selection. I feel we could've gotten Johnson in the 2nd and still gotten the DE from the 2nd round in the 3rd. If we really wanted Sweed that bad (and I know we did) we should've traded up for him knowing the Steelers were going to get him.

[DoomBringa]

i honestly look over the list of names and wonder how any of them even got on our draft board.

we desperately need any help we can get at WR and had the entire lot to pick from as none had been taken yet, and we pick another goddamn running back. In the last THREE drafts, we've taken at least 1 back out of the first two rounds. we drafted for shit that was already good or we already had plenty of. we drafted way too much defense and running game, which was already doing very well. i felt like the one DE and the late round LB were ok, but the additional DE was not necessary. we drafted another TE, and we already have like 3 of them. it's obvious that we are striving to be a very boring, defensive, run-oriented team.

If I remember right Fasano is being traded I think. So we'd only have tony curtis to backup jason witten, that's why they got another TE. They obviously wanted to keep the 2 RB scheme, but we did pick up a bad ass cb. If the pacman deal works out, we'll have a pretty stout cb lineup. Overall I don't think this was a bad draft at all. They obviously want to continue grooming our current young WR's. Hopefully TG will be healthy to give us another season. If not, they can have felix spread the field as well...so there are options. Not to mention the kick return ability he brings to the table, which we definately lacked last year. Pacman can return kicks too, I think it'll be an interesting season.

[AGT-Shady]

He's a Titans fan DB - not a Cowboys fan.

[Trex]

I hope to god Tarvaris Jackson plays well because the last thing I want is retarded fans crying for some Booty earlier than the start of the 2009/2010 season.

[DoomBringa]

He's a Titans fan DB - not a Cowboys fan.

ah, disregard then.

[Kuniva]

Loved my fins draft, got the 2 former standout wolverines, Long and Henne who I think should have gone a lot earlier. The DE they picked up from Clemson looks solid too, I didnt get a chance to see ther est of their picks itd be tight it Mike Hart went to them or Manningham, anyone know where they landed?

[Trex]

Manningham - Giants in the third round
Hart - Colts in the ?6th? (Know it was late...)

[5p`]

the titans draft makes me want to puke. it was horrid.

trevor laws will see significant playing time in philly.... he will get more PT than harvey. book it now. he was made for philly's cover 2 D

[drone]

the pack didn't do too bad this year. brohm and nelson + tons of other guys i don't know... flynn. they aren't mcfadden, but i feel this way with every packer draft, never super excited, never dissapointed.

[AGT-Shady]

I didn't really understand taking Brohm unless they think Rogers sucks, but I REALLY don't understand taking Flynn, he's not even clipboard ready ffs, let him move on to selling insurance ASAP.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

the titans draft makes me want to puke. it was horrid.

trevor laws will see significant playing time in philly.... he will get more PT than harvey. book it now. he was made for philly's cover 2 D
Philly doesn't run a cover-2.