The Scrummage Poll

[Solo]

Here's a few options. I told Bluefire that 5 of the 6 teams I asked hated the map. Spammage would be a better name but anyhow here goes.

[Solo]

I should clarify owned on this map as +100 points

R1 we won by only 5 points. I didn't play r2 but we won by like 60 points are something.

This map is NOT 56k friendly. I'm glad I get my cable back tommorrow.

[Neuri]

this map is regurgitated crap and when that voice screams scrummage i wanna simply put the shotgun to my face its so annoying and it grates on you. Not to mention the map is plain crap.

[VaDooM]

YES H2K LOVES SCRUMMAGE!

[Solo]

we played a team that employed a 9 heavy strat 2 hwguys 7 soldiers. We in turn attempted the strat. There was more spam at the center zone than hormel produces in a year.

For some reason the idiots in my clan said they loved the map and we were definitely going to win. Unfortunately they neglected to listen to me and in doing so (not changing the map with TDA), we lost by 500 points. Embarrassing? Definitely. Lesson learned? Don't let the white man hold you down.

[Vanquish]

just make a low grens version of the map and it would be playable. Too easy to chain prime with heavy classes and lock down the middle. :(

[BlueFire]

Scrummage > all

Awesome map.

[PHISH]

Newbies.

Edit: solo don't start your whine train again

[Yohan]

This map kicked ASS!
Almost as good as RUN or CZ2.

Yes, and we owned the team we played.


TAU=235 + 276 = 511 B33R= 41 + 56= 97

Yes, we raped. Round one was the funnest round I ever played.

[Nomad]

scrummage seems to be a "love it or hate it" map, and I think the closer matches (like the one BR had) are pretty rare...
scores were so lopsided r1 we didn't play a r2, but that wasn't really due to our skill (the other clan played short), so I'm really not sure if I like the map or not yet :o

Don't ever compare this garbage map to cz2. Ever.

[DIV|ace`]

scrummage is one the most unique maps ever and coincedentally is one of my favorites. dont remember any maps before warpath that has a similiar style of play. why it doesnt make it into league rotations more often surprises me. the last time i played this was way back in tgl though i do recall that IGL played this maybe a year ago

[NATOMIC]

The concept of the map is great, first of its kind. The strategy needed to overcome your enemy is great too. As for the design - anyone who has made any worthwhile project in Worldcraft can tell you it was built like shit. The map's sizing creates a demand on connection and system performance. Although i won, i can tell i was playing like crap visually. Only maps that come to mind when i think of this level of demand are Dustbwol and avanti, and neither are played in STA. Sucks knowing your opposing team can't put up a good fight cuz of their comp. ;[

[doberman]

Its great, because it involves more team effort than any other map. Also involved much more yelling by me to make my team work as a team for this one, but it paid off. I liked the map a lot, cause its a good change from the regular ctf maps. I just wish we had a HW to play on it :(

fun map to play, shame it's so ugly... I would think it would be significantly less fun if you're getting owned though

oh and the gayest thing is if you stand on the teleporter when you don't control the center, you overflow and drop from the server

[BlueFire]

Originally posted by billdoor
fun map to play, shame it's so ugly... I would think it would be significantly less fun if you're getting owned though

oh and the gayest thing is if you stand on the teleporter when you don't control the center, you overflow and drop from the server

hmm I stood on it without that problem, must be a problem with sparkys :p

Originally posted by BlueFire
hmm I stood on it without that problem, must be a problem with sparkys :p

or europe

[Corsair]

BLAME EUROPE.



I'm kinda pissed I didn't get to play it tonight Solo. I had to spend some quality time with the parents to keep them paying for college instead. :)

[Warren_Peace]

one of the more exciting matches ive played in awhile and i actually got to go soldier! gg elb :P

[TDA EvilDead]

Easily one of the most fun maps out there. It actually requires teamwork. I cant think of any other map CTF/CP that NEEDS more then 1 person to cap. Just a flat out great map

Originally posted by billdoor
fun map to play, shame it's so ugly... I would think it would be significantly less fun if you're getting owned though

oh and the gayest thing is if you stand on the teleporter when you don't control the center, you overflow and drop from the server

I got that prob too.

[Michman]

i have found a new passion in life: sitting under the teleporter with knife drawn! Yea 6 in a row.

[DIV|ace`]

Originally posted by billdoor
I would think it would be significantly less fun if you're getting owned though

that's true for most maps in general but it's a lot more apparent when you dont have a strat for control point type maps. a lot of people complain about canalzon cause of a lack of knowledge about the map and pin their dislike on spam at the spawns or at the fountain. scrummage is kind of the opposite being deceptively simple. i agree that the spam in the center arena can suck but it's not the be all and end all for the map.

[Corsair]

I agree with Ace. Any map that isn't stupidly simple will get a lot of unwaranted dislike because one team is less prepared than the other.

[adroit]

(!) > GoW 577-153

fun ass game though. loved it. cant wait til next week.

[Studfire]

OWNAGE MAP K TY

[[TDA]Jiggles]

If you don't like Scrummage, you don't like TFC.

[DeathBowl]

Originally posted by antimatter
The concept of the map is great, first of its kind. The strategy needed to overcome your enemy is great too. As for the design - anyone who has made any worthwhile project in Worldcraft can tell you it was built like shit. The map's sizing creates a demand on connection and system performance. Although i won, i can tell i was playing like crap visually. Only maps that come to mind when i think of this level of demand are Dustbwol and avanti, and neither are played in STA. Sucks knowing your opposing team can't put up a good fight cuz of their comp. ;[

Agreed, very nice style of play, bu the map sucks

1. way too much choke(personnaly i was ok with 9ofchoke)
2. i dont know if middle respanw is such of an idea. the respwn shoulod be placed somewhere else so there is less spam and less ownage(ya if you lose you normally lose real bad) I talk by experience ;)

3.Hmmm fuck maps where you got to play all heavies to do something.

[DeathBowl]

Originally posted by Michman
i have found a new passion in life: sitting under the teleporter with knife drawn! Yea 6 in a row.

I got 4:(

the last solly didnt blow in piece on first knife hit:(

[Twizted]

Must you whine about everything Solo? Seriously, just like 2 weeks ago you were complaining about elevators, now it is the map selection. THE MAPS ARE VOTED ON BY THE CLANS, IF THE MAJORITY OF CLANS DID NOT WANT TO PLAY A MAP THEY WOULDN'T HAVE VOTED FOR IT. YOU CAN ALWAYS TRY AND CONVINCE THE OTHER TEAM TO PLAY A DIFFERANT MAP, BUT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP THE WHINING ABOUT EVERY GOD DAMN THING!!!

[Wraith]

Originally posted by Neuri
this map is regurgitated crap and when that voice screams scrummage i wanna simply put the shotgun to my face its so annoying and it grates on you.....

rofl !!!!!


our opponent forfiet.

[TP-at-work]

I like the map, I just think it'd be better if someone redid it.
Same concept, better map. The layout is okay, if a bit HUGE, but the textures are ungodly awful.

And yes, this map runs worse on my computer than regiant, 2mesa3, or any other HUGE map.

Still love it. (But then again I like most maps, once I figure out what's going on, and where the hell I am..)

[Fusion]

i thought it was fun. we had a lead going into rd 2 by controlling the middle, however asl controlled it most of rd 2 and beat us that rd, but not by enough to win. nice change.

[Solo]

Twizted fuck off. I'm entitled to my opinion. After last nights match I approached a few teams because I figured I wasn't alone. Of the 6 teams I contacted looking to play a different map for next week 5 of them hated Scrummage. Hmm I say to myself. I wonder if this opinion is more widespread than this. So I go and post a poll. PHISH you too can fuck off. I posted this not to whine but because I was curious what others thought of the map. People are entitled to like maps other people hate. I like Run lots of people hate run. I understand that and accept that. I just wanted to see how people felt about the map.

Corsair ya it's really too bad you didn't play. After we were losing chasing you around with a crowbar would have been fun.

[Kmack]

This was the first time I've played this map in a league, and I must say I loved it!! Granted we won... there were times in the match where we were getting spanked and I was still having a blast. I have never seen a map (not even Run) that requires that much teamwork and timing to be successful.

BTW, I would like to give a shoutout to Fx for giving us such an exciting game last night. They jumped up on us early by about 20-30 points... but we came back to dominate the last half of the round and won by about 60-70. Second round was topsy turvy to say the least. They were consistently up on us by about 20-30 the whole time. The last 5 minutes of the second round saw 3 scrums!!! The first one we got to pull us within about 4 points in the round. They got one VERY shortly after to jump back up. And they got another within about a minute to jump up by a considerable margin. The total score for the match was teetering on being tied, so the last couple of minutes was a battle for the middle, we took control and got their base a couple of times. We lost the second round by almost 60, but won the total score by 2 POINTS!!!! One of the most exciting matches I've been in personally!!!

[Suicyco]

FOTL vs TFCC
TFCC wins by 1 freakin point 1 point.

I haven't had that much fun playing TFC in a while.
GG TFCC.

I did get 2 srums though thats a plus.

I like it.

Any map you win on is a good map. :)

[VP-]

Didnt play it in the actual match but have played it on phat farm, all in all not a bad map but I dont think its one of those maps that shows who the better clan is as more maps have been as of late

[A-X]

66-33...

Survey says: 2 out of 3 scrummers say the third is a pinko commie!

[Solo]

and of the respondants 66-33 won. Roughtly that at least.

[Rorippa]

and of the losers it is evenly split as to liking or disliking the map. I would say that your poll is proving that in general the community likes scrummage.

[Rorippa]

may I just add a vote yes on how good this map is. I did not win or lose on it since I do not play in STA since BD is not in it yet. therefore I can not log an official reply. gg no catagory for me.

[Uncle Leo]

Originally posted by Solo
we played a team that employed a 9 heavy strat 2 hwguys 7 soldiers. We in turn attempted the strat. There was more spam at the center zone than hormel produces in a year.

What SOLO?

TWO HEAVIES?

YOU MEAN YOU WENT LLAMA LIKE RICE?

You fucking idiot.

[(!)-DrLove]

i asked azlan to change the map, he refused and i was pissed. But now im glad, i really enjoyed the map alot, it was alot of fun, the scrim we had vs mH was fun, the match vs GoW was fun, its just a fast paced map.

[Defrag]

Quit the flaming, take it to the cesspool if you want to go that route, solo. :P

[[FOTL]Milo]

Originally posted by Suicyco
FOTL vs TFCC
TFCC wins by 1 freakin point 1 point.

I haven't had that much fun playing TFC in a while.
GG TFCC.

I did get 2 srums though thats a plus.

I like it.

WORD!! Kick ass match last night. cant wait to play week #2 of it :D

[GhOsT]

This happens with every controll point map. The leagues play them sooooooooo rarely that when one does come along half the clans have no idea what to do on them. The whole team needs to work together instead of 4 or 5 guys.

The reason i like scrummage so much is because of the fact that you actually need a good strat to do well on it. Everyone on the team has to really know what their role is. We did not use an overly heavy strat on the map and we did well on it. I would think with 7 soldiers around a good spy would have a field day....

I think there is a lot of bottled up hostility cause the offense can't whine about anything other than spam. No turtling, no pot shotting, no chasing to whine about. No reason to live.

[Solo]

bah Defrag don't blame me I didn't start the flames :P

[Omega Nine]

I think the map is awesome. The only problem with it is it can run like crap on low end computers. I think there should be more maps made like scrummage. Leagues need to play them more too, CTF gets pretty boring sometimes. Looking down the STA schedule I see a couple new maps to me, I hope they are made available for download so I can check them out.

[Sci-Fi]

there's too much spam on scrummage. it's better off being played in pubs. still was fun to play on.. other than losing by a frikkin scrum! :mad:

[Sponge]

Originally posted by GhOsT
This happens with every controll point map. The leagues play them sooooooooo rarely that when one does come along half the clans have no idea what to do on them. The whole team needs to work together instead of 4 or 5 guys.

Bingo. Not everything is going to be a cut-and-dry match with five defense, four offense, and a flag to capture. Why do people have to whine whenever they don't like a map that's unusual (darkness, scrummage)? Here's a tip: practice it some, then the fact it's different from openfire and 2fort won't mean you get violated when you play. It has worked well for all the clans I've been in.

[PHISH]

choo choo! hehe
3.Hmmm fuck maps where you got to play all heavies to do something.
Don't know where you get this idea, but yeah that's not true at all.

[GhOsT]

Originally posted by incriminate-XS
I looked at the results and it seemed like most matches where dominated by 1 clan. Most are like 300-100. This map is pretty stupid imo.

I betcha there will be fewer matches like that after next week.

i found the map to be a lot of fun but...

cz2 > all! leagues will play it or DIE!!11111111

Don't stand on the warp to center if your team don't have it or you will drop.

I learned after the third try.

[Solo]

I think most teams that like the DM but dislike the "spam" would love Run. Lots of dm'ing and teamwork, but so wide open there's less spam IMO.

[BigSerd]

How much you wanna bet in all those blow out matches there was one team that:

A. Had lots of prior match experience on the map
OR
B. Went out and got a scrimmage with someone cause they knew that's the only way to learn this map.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by Solo
I think most teams that like the DM but dislike the "spam" would love Run. Lots of dm'ing and teamwork, but so wide open there's less spam IMO.

Except at the loding dock and the halls/courtyard near the generator since everyone is heading for one or the other usually.

[Influx-OD]

scrummage is one of my favorite maps :p

we won, but not by alot. but the map is still fun, as long as you arent totally outmatched from the getgo.

[GhOsT]

People did the exact same thing for run. It's a different map and it seems people don't have the mentality to learn how to play something other than go into the enemy base and take the flag back. Of course people are different and like different things. I know there are some CTF maps i despise that people love.

[Uncle Leo]

I just thought that it was humorous how Solo once got beat by a 2 Heavy Weapons Guy strat by RiCE, came here and make a huge deal about it, and basically whined until he got enough support for his diminishing ego.

And then so easily employs a 2 heavy weapons strat now.

[Vanquish]

If anyone out there could edit the map to make the middle point longer or possibly remove the walls surrounding the points, the map would be much more playable. Its not the type of map that rewards team work so much as a strategy that relies on spam. We played nLv on it, and won the first round by a few points. They won the second round by a few points, but they had the most overall so they won. I just don't like it because it doesn't reward skill or teamwork with points, but spam like theres never been before. nLv ran 2 hws and a demo at the mid point once they capped it, with the rest of the team dming whoever they found, which is a fine strat, but 6 mirvs once ya reach the middle is more or less insurmountable when you've got a teleporter bringing ya back with more the moment ya die.

Just make the map low-nades and it would rule all other maps.

[aLg-Medi.qc]

fuckin fun!!

[Sponge]

Originally posted by Vanquish
Its not the type of map that rewards team work so much as a strategy that relies on spam. We played nLv on it, and won the first round by a few points. They won the second round by a few points, but they had the most overall so they won. I just don't like it because it doesn't reward skill or teamwork with points, but spam like theres never been before.

Huh? Most of the people in your clan could bhop, and that's big on a map such as scrummage. In contrast, I'm the only one in nLv who can bhop consistently, and I didn't play a mintue in that match. Surely something overcame your advantage in the movement department. And from what I saw of rd1 HTLV, your team wasn't spam-free either (not as if there's anything wrong with that). Scrummage is just one of the maps that we (I should say the older nLv people, not me) as a clan are good at, *shrug*

[- |nLv|EdgeCrusher -]

Originally posted by Vanquish
If anyone out there could edit the map to make the middle point longer or possibly remove the walls surrounding the points, the map would be much more playable. Its not the type of map that rewards team work so much as a strategy that relies on spam. We played nLv on it, and won the first round by a few points. They won the second round by a few points, but they had the most overall so they won. I just don't like it because it doesn't reward skill or teamwork with points, but spam like theres never been before. nLv ran 2 hws and a demo at the mid point once they capped it, with the rest of the team dming whoever they found, which is a fine strat, but 6 mirvs once ya reach the middle is more or less insurmountable when you've got a teleporter bringing ya back with more the moment ya die.

Just make the map low-nades and it would rule all other maps.

Van, your post insinuates you guys are guilty free of any kind of spam. Im not gonna sit here and argue who started what and when.. but dont come off acting like your team didnt spam at all. Maybe I took it the wrong way, and if I did, im sorry. Mainly because it causes me to think your a poor loser after you guys did so well in rnd1.

[- |nLv|EdgeCrusher -]

BTW: We had someone working on another revision of scrummage. It was KEA Cencored. He was gonna work with Wedge, the author of the map from PCGS, and make it a little wider and such. Problem is, Cencored disappeared. I believe Lonewolf from nLv is interested in finding someone that is willing to work with Wedge and improve it. You can find him in #nlv

As for Scrummage, I have seen so many tactics and strats... and I have always had a great time on it. Win or lose. Its just something different from the norm. And the TEAMWORK is amazing.

[Vanquish]

I agree everyone is as guilty as possible of spam on it, its an entirely fine strat and it works, its just not fun to play against. The point of the post was to encourage someone to make a low grens version of the map, not to bad mouth nLv. It was an awsome match and the score was tight between the rounds.

[Clank]

TTK OWNED [BYE] w00t.

I still love the map though.

[Vanquish]

To recap:
<3 nLv. :D

[Mulchman MM]

scrummage == boo
thank god no one else plays those other maps wedge made *shudder*

[- |nLv|EdgeCrusher -]

I love AC more! Only cause Fru tickles me. :)

We all know MulchMan is jealous of Wedge. :p

[hughJ]

it's fun in the same sense that murderball or dustbowl is fun.. any sort of strategy the map might have is invisible due to the randomness of spam and the brainless gameplay created by having the map tell you everything you ever need to know, rather than requiring proper team communication. The middle yard CPs are also pretty bleh for spam. Defending a point should not be only a matter of mashing your gren2 key.

-less(none?) gren2s
-Remove the CP voice warnings ("teammate needed at..")