A little bit of new TF2 info

[PointMan]

Its not much, but its further confirmation that TF2 is in the works. Speculate as much as you'd like . . .

http://hl2central.net/?page=articles&function=displayarticle&id=11

p.s. sorry if this has been posted already


-PointMan

HL2Central] One thing on the minds of the clanning and pubbing community is bunnyhopping, will this unrealistic movement feature in hl's multiplayer, if it will, is there a way to disable it?


[Gabe Newell] We don't particularly like bunny-hopping.


Lame.

[Kaneda]

[HL2Central] One thing on the minds of the clanning and pubbing community is bunnyhopping, will this unrealistic movement feature in hl's multiplayer, if it will, is there a way to disable it?


[Gabe Newell] We don't particularly like bunny-hopping.

It is very lame... bhopping is an acquired ability (whether intended or not, I find it very cool) It isn't like everyone can do it perfectly. The people who usually want it removed are those who cannot master it.

In my eyes it adds another level and another technique to master in the game like glide/hh concing. Oh well, what do I know right?

[Twizted]

Doesn't take much for anybody to master it anymore, everybody uses _special.

[Naufragus]

No bunny hopping? What a fag.

[heathen]

bullshit.

bhop takes a lot of skill. you have to know where to find the gay-ass little _special script, have to know how to copy it, and have to know where to paste and bind it.
It takes mounds of skill, and gosh, you're insta-leet.

[AxioN]

or the fact, tfc is alot more fun, when its fast paced.

[SilentDark]

bunnyhopping > the fat valve guy

[TheMOB]

another reason to stick with TFC

[sancho]

Boy, Gabe sounds excited to talk to the community, doesn't he?

And yeah, I'm betting TF2 will be more DoD 2 than TF2. Bye bye concs, bhopping, rj'ing, wall-strafing, etc.

It takes mounds of skill, and gosh, you're insta-leet.

LMAO. I just want the lame scripts gone, come on you pussies, do it manually, it's not hard. I think RJ and Concing should most definately be in the sequel to TFC though, if it's not, I doubt i'll play it much. I don't want some uber realistic game, that ain't TF.

[greenbeard]

fuck bhopping. good riddance.

[Rimuladas]

All the more reason we will need a TFC2, and boycot their POS TF2.

[Neuri]

+jump for life ppl

[mono]

we dont even know anything about TF2, if you're going by their website which hasnt been updated in 2 years then yea it sucks. the bottom line is, we dont know anything about the game. even if it is almost nothing like team fortress(the same 9 classes we've been playing with from quake->halflife), who cares? what else do we want in this game? do you just want TFC with better graphics and the physics engine of HL2? how much farther can you take a game like team fortress?



http://tf2.sierra.com/img/screenshot1-high.jpg

"WOAH OMG WTF DID THEY DO TO TFC WTF GG TF-CS VALVE IS GAY"

you guys dont even know what the game looks like, at least wait until you SEE it before saying its lame.

[Kaneda]

Originally posted by NuclearKitten
I can't stay silent anymore.



That's exactly why Gabe has decided removed it. The community can't grow on an unbalanced playing field. No bhop = n00bs CAN finally have fun and learn to love the gameplay, instead of getting silently mocked and frustrated, leaving the game altogether with a bad taste in their mouths and probably bad mouthing the game as well. Anyone can learn to rocket Jump or HH in 5 minutes given the right instruction. Yes, someone will mod tf2 for bhop so relax. All you bhop supporters should think of the future of the game instead of letting it continue to slowly seep through the cracks. You all bitched about the toned down concs a few years back and said "this sux i r leaving" yet most of you stayed. So try to see another side for a change. :D

btw: I know how to bhop. I just can't let go of forward. ;)


Your missing the point. Scripts aside which do take the skill out of it - its just another skill to learn. If TFC2 (prayin for this) doesnt have the _special then bhoppin is once again something everyone will have to do manually.

So what is the difference between bhopping and using a conc/rocket to propell ya foward? Its not like one day you hoped into TFC out of the blue and thought... 'Hey! If i lay this conc here and run ahead of it, it'll propell me forward very fast' -- no it was something you had to learn and time.

If you remove bhoppin it all comes down to who has the better aim(bot)... I don't want a slow paced game where there is nothing to learn to get better.

the biggest problem is that in removing bhop they are probably going to fuck with the air control so it feels like a really different game

it would be much better if they just added autojumping as a feature so that newbies could concentrate on the movements required for bunnyhopping, not getting the best script for the jumping

[ArteL]

That's exactly why Gabe has decided removed it. The community can't grow on an unbalanced playing field. No bhop = n00bs CAN finally have fun and learn to love the gameplay, instead of getting silently mocked and frustrated, leaving the game altogether with a bad taste in their mouths and probably bad mouthing the game as well.

I would have to disagree... this game was getting people in by leaps and bounds (no pun intended) when bunnyhoppin was around. People who are interested in this game and weren't crybabys learned how to bunnyhop and dealt with it. When I first started TFC bunnyhoppin was pretty much in full swing... and instead of turning away from it, I thought cool, something I need to learn in order to play.

If a game is so simple that anyone can do EVERYTHING, then the game sucks, and thats just a fact that you can't argue. What makes a game pass the test of time, it how much skill level difference is in the game. Otherwise it just becomes that same ol shit that you are doing over and over, and you can never have the "fun" of learning how to do something new.

The people who ruined the game are the ones that came in crying about it, cause they wanted a cheap fix with TFC, didn't wanna have to learn anything, and just wanted to play it for a couple months and go away. I think you will find that most of the old school TFC'ers that are still around liked bunnyhoppin, and that those that cried like babys are gone, cause they weren't interested in learning the game to begin with.

mabye I am wrong... ::shrugs::

[Corsair]

I'd like to point out that TF2 was originally planned as being more "realistic" at the same time CS was in Beta 4. If anything, the success of games like CS, DoD, and BF1942 simply proves that Valve was correct in their original plan to make the TF series more realistic.

[Corsair]

Originally posted by MasE
TF was never suppose to be realistic. Thats why it has concs/rocjet jumps, etc. Valve doesnt care about the community, they only care about the bling bling

I'll assume that you never actually READ my post, so look above yours. Original TF wasn't realistic because it was based on Quake, another unrealistic game. TF2 was ALWAYS going to be realistic. Just when they realized they wouldn't have it ready for all the HL users who were expecting a TF mod for HL, they rehashed TF into TFC to placate the masses.

[PHISH]

Originally posted by Twizted
Doesn't take much for anybody to master it anymore, everybody uses _special.

What would _special do that the mousewheel doesn't? Just curious where you get this delusion from (besides the fact that as sparkies has shown, not many people at all use it-at least the best bhoppers).

Mastery of bhop is in the creativity of the movement itself, and being able to do this while priming a conc, shooting the enemy, etc. Glide jumping worked into the bhopping allows for more speed as well..most of the best have their own little techniques that they do unique from anyone else- for example look at one of reen's demos- the amount of skill into movement alone is pretty sick and a great thing for the game overall.

[NukeleaR]

Originally posted by Kaneda
Your missing the point. Scripts aside which do take the skill out of it - its just another skill to learn. If TFC2 (prayin for this) doesnt have the _special then bhoppin is once again something everyone will have to do manually.


Your point is invalid because I gaurantee 95% of bhoppers use some form of script. Since most everyone can bhop nowadays whats the point in having it anyways. All bhoppers are currently on the same level, and when we have a simple 100% speed limit we'll be on the same level again. There is no way they can take away scripting to the point where you can't have a million +jump's lined up BTW.


So what is the difference between bhopping and using a conc/rocket to propell ya foward?


A rocket jump takes quite a bit of health, and a concussion grenade makes aiming with a SG/SSG nearly impossible. Also it uses 1 rocket/1 concussion grenade that might have other uses.


Its not like one day you hoped into TFC out of the blue and thought... 'Hey! If i lay this conc here and run ahead of it, it'll propell me forward very fast' -- no it was something you had to learn and time.


Ya, you had to learn it over time...but you can't download a script to be an effective concer.


If you remove bhoppin it all comes down to who has the better aim(bot)... I don't want a slow paced game where there is nothing to learn to get better. [/B]

That's way super far from the truth. I'd rather have strategy + a good paced game than a bhop fest where everyone is having a speed contest. That was the original intention of the TF series after all; strategy and planning in a somewhat unrealistic package. People seem to have forgotten...

[NukeleaR]

Originally posted by MasE
TF was never suppose to be realistic. Thats why it has concs/rocjet jumps, etc. Valve doesnt care about the community, they only care about the bling bling

Are you a valve insider? Do you know that it will be purely realistic?

i use mwheeldown and i get all my timing perfectly, ive used a _special script before but went back to mwheeldown cause i like it better.

also ur not insta - leet once u can time ur jumps bunny hopping is about momentum, juking and unique techniques to trick defenders

[Nfernus]

please keep in mind that HL2 will generally be a much faster paced game then HL, and the mods following HL2 will be much faster paced. Therefore the need for a bhop won't even be needed.

[OhGr]

my whole take on the realistic view is...bleh!

playing this game every monday night in STA for past 3 yrs. rarely missing a monday night unless holiday.
the fun of watching a clan have a group of O medics do something I never saw before due to their ability to conc or bhop. and or watching a D solly shoot a scout and nade a medic and maybe catch a spy and still be half alive due to the unrealistic gamestyle, makes game intense and challenging.

ppl will say well DoD and CS is a challenge. and yes they are right. but that 1 shot kill shit seems to lame, I like intense matches with ppl at 30 health and still able to mulch down 2 incoming O with a shotty. makes for fun game making this a realistic game will only kill the community I think and or ppl wont change over to it. keep TFC way it is upgrade with new classes remove the retarded sniper and GG to that.
maybe few new weapons. all new default maps. bigger maps for more than 9v9. and maybe get a damn TV show to broadcast clans playing in matches!

[ThePanther]

I think I am the only person who was/is looking forward to TF2. Either way with HL2 comming out in just a few months now, there will be loads of user mods created. Hopefully some will bring the fast paced action of TFC. Science and Industry2 woot!

[Zogo]

Originally posted by SilentDark
bunnyhopping > the fat valve guy

lol...gabe newell..probably eating a cheeseburger as I type this.

Is it possible to mod TF2 when it comes out to be unrealistic?!?!?!!!? I will kill mysyelf if its not :(((((

Originally posted by -=PoW=-WarPig
my whole take on the realistic view is...bleh!

playing this game every monday night in STA for past 3 yrs. rarely missing a monday night unless holiday.
the fun of watching a clan have a group of O medics do something I never saw before due to their ability to conc or bhop. and or watching a D solly shoot a scout and nade a medic and maybe catch a spy and still be half alive due to the unrealistic gamestyle, makes game intense and challenging.

ppl will say well DoD and CS is a challenge. and yes they are right. but that 1 shot kill shit seems to lame, I like intense matches with ppl at 30 health and still able to mulch down 2 incoming O with a shotty. makes for fun game making this a realistic game will only kill the community I think and or ppl wont change over to it. keep TFC way it is upgrade with new classes remove the retarded sniper and GG to that.
maybe few new weapons. all new default maps. bigger maps for more than 9v9. and maybe get a damn TV show to broadcast clans playing in matches!

You are a genius :O

[`Spook]

that gabe guy just goes on and on....somebody give him a benadryl b4 he hurts himself with all that enthusiasim...gg spelling

[NukeleaR]

Originally posted by prato
dude i have to comment on this

u cant conc aim or bhop or anything so no kidding u want bhop removed wow u ever try to learn those skills?


IF U FGTS REMEMBER VALVE SAID THEY WILL RELEASE SHIT THAT WILL MAKE IT -EASY- TO GET UR CURRENT HL MODS UP AND RUNNING ON HL2

WHICH MEANS SOME FUCK WILL MOD TFC FOR HL2 IN NO TIME[/size]

I can bunnyhop without a script. I also have perfect HWGuy conc aim as well as pretty damn good SSG conc aim (without tracers BTW). If you'd like a demonstration stop by #tau. I'd be happy to fuck you up.


wow u ever try to learn those skills?


wow u ever try to learn engrish?

Seriously dude, spellcheck is your friend.

[jo3]

[HL2Central] One of the more popular of "half-life" multiplayer features was the ability to spray a decal on the wall, a feature so popular many third-part applications were formed to produce multi-coloured logos, such as wally and hlc. Will these sprays return, and have you implemented more support for multi-colour?
who the fuck cares about fucking colored logo's! I want bhopping put in

[GhOsT]

You all fail to realize that TF2 has been in development way before TFC was even released. As corsair has said, the only reason TFC even exists is because TF2 was supposed to be a mod for HL which then became a stand alone game. People bought HL to play TF2 so valve creates TFC to test stuff for TF2 and also appease the masses.

"I would have to disagree... this game was getting people in by leaps and bounds (no pun intended) when bunnyhoppin was around. People who are interested in this game and weren't crybabys learned how to bunnyhop and dealt with it. When I first started TFC bunnyhoppin was pretty much in full swing... and instead of turning away from it, I thought cool, something I need to learn in order to play."

When bhopping was in it's prime was when TFC was a still fairly young game.

TF2 was meant to be the sequal to the popular Team Fortress for quake. Not a sequal to TFC. At the time they had some really inovative ideas.

[vs. BAB]

All the talk about TF2/TFC2 is just speculation right now. About all we know is that it will use the new HL2 engine. Any information from that 2 year old website should be discounted because that game obviously was using an outdated game engine. That old TF2 was scrapped years ago to make whatever game we will see soon.

CS and other military type games seem to have taken over the spot that Valve thought the realistic TF2 was to occupy. The fresh ideas that TF2 was going to use aren't fresh anymore. Anyone who remembers the feature description from TF2 should check out America's Army. The developers of AA seem to have incorporated virtually all the old TF2 ideas.

I hope that TF2 is fresh and doesn't go for realistic. Air movement, concs, rocket-jumps, etc. are what makes playing tfc fun. I can take or leave bhopping, but there should be some advanced techniques that will take many hours of playing learn effectively.

Then againj, the qutoe from this Gabe guy is, "We don't particuliarly LIKE bunnyhopping", which doesn't necessarily rule it out, just because you or I don't like something, sometimes we still do it, no one likes school or work (usually) but it must be done, and for these fucks making tf2, if they want people to play their shit, they will put bhop on :)

[At0mic_PC]

I say again... Using repeditive movments and keypresses is not skill. It's too repeditive to be considered a skill. Now blinking on the other hand... THAT is a skill.

[Acharne]

wow, no bhop, gay. i dunno... i might check the game out just b/c tfc is 4 years old and all and it's getting (for me at least) kinda stale. hl2 i'm getting for sure, just because it's a great game and i believe somewhere i even heard that they are keeping the psychics intact

[NukeleaR]

Let me ask an honest question...

If Valve employees were to come to these message boards (basically the hub of TFC at this point), would they really want to listen to the comments and opinions? Most posts on these boards seem to be from preschool children. Honestly, its hard enough reading what most of you type...One visit to the Cesspool and their hope for the TFC community will be lost.

I bet bringing an educated argument such as "bhozp fshould stya in or elze vavLE is GHEY, LewLZ fagotz also give sodlierz a homing rocketz and medicz invincibiliiity" will really convince them. If you want someone to listen then at least make an attempt at proper grammar. Try some periods every now and then, they're your friend!

Frankly, I've come to the conclusion that most folks in this community don't deserve Valve's time and dedication. Between the elitists, the three year olds, the clan whores, the overall dicks, and the total idiots, why should they care?

[Resolute]

I am the TF2 Valve Beta Tester.