Advocaters of beer are nothing but marketing tools.

[brett]

With a lack of recent hot debate, I bring this to the table. I hope you like beef. ^_^

Beer, where I live anyway, is expensive despite having major brewery centers fairly close by.. (Vancouver, BC) It takes me approximately 10 beers to get to a "good to go" state, whereas it takes only 4 coolers to do the same thing. Thus, I propose that it's drunkness ability is highly overrated when compared to the prices of other alcohols.

So, if you're not drinking it to get drunk, why are you drinking it? I believe an extremly small porportion of the population enjoys beer the first time they drink it. I know the first time I drank it, it tasted like bad. Although it doesn't taste so bad now (some brands still do), I believe beer has the unique ability to kill off the anti-beer taste buds.

Since they lifted the bans on advertising alcohol, beer has become an overwhelmingly large force on the commercials on TV, as during the rare times I watch TV, I am flooded with Miller, Budweiser, Kokanee, etc advertisements. All of these place beer as the "cool thing to drink" (which it should, it IS an ad) but to the point where those who dislike beer are made to feel inferior. I've heard that the only time it's okay to drink a cooler for a guy is if its served by a naked model on a beach and its free. Fack that.

Do I like beer? No. I think it tastes vaguely like a pee-stained carpet smells. However... Who dares speak up against beer?

Next time I want something to drink that tastes good, I'll order a Bacardi Silver please. Next time I want something to drink to get drunk, I'll order a few shots. I'll pass on the beer.

i think most beer tastes like shit. coronas and dos equis are pretty common in my household though, so thats a lifesaver. im really more of a wine drinker, red wines especially. my parents are avid beer drinkers though, mostly miller lite (ugh). i also have a thing for mixed drinks like martinis, margaritas, etc. but i drink things for their taste, not alcoholic content. i dont care if something is a 'womans drink' (or even just a 'not-so-manly drink'), because ive passed up all sorts of alcoholic beverages for coca-cola or water any day. its all about the taste.

[Cod]

Well, I drink Coors Original as a normal beverage of choice. In the south, you grow up learning to love beer. I had my first beer when I was 9-years old (complements to my brother).

On a side note, I also like Lynchburg Lemonade. It isn't a beer, but taste hella good.

[fiend]

I guess it's an acquired taste. My dad is an avid scotch fan, and it is the most disgusting liquid ever put in a bottle. It's horrid. But he swears by it.

[-Wolvy-pb]

i think most beer tastes like shit. coronas and dos equis are pretty common in my household though, so thats a lifesaver. im really more of a wine drinker, red wines especially. my parents are avid beer drinkers though, mostly miller lite (ugh). i also have a thing for mixed drinks like martinis, margaritas, etc. but i drink things for their taste, not alcoholic content. i dont care if something is a 'womans drink' (or even just a 'not-so-manly drink'), because ive passed up all sorts of alcoholic beverages for coca-cola or water any day. its all about the taste.

heh take the words out of my mouth

[Cain]

Do I like beer? No. I think it tastes vaguely like a pee-stained carpet smells. However... Who dares speak up against beer?

Next time I want something to drink that tastes good, I'll order a Bacardi Silver please. Next time I want something to drink to get drunk, I'll order a few shots. I'll pass on the beer.


Will someone now please give this faggot his medal of cour, cour, cour, cour, courage.

All those beer commercials are 100% true. One time a friend and I were wandering through the desert (don't ask why) when suddenly we stumble across a six-pack. The next thing I know it's snowing and I'm surrounded by beautiful women in bikinis.

First part is not intended as a flame, obviously. I'm a teetotaler. Does that make me a pussy?

[evo]

The reason why beer is so expensive is because its taxed to hell.

[saut]

from my experiences beer gives you little to no hangover, that's why i prefer it ;)

[DarthGreg]

Did that post resolve to a point? After reading through it I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

[philly]

Originally posted by DarthGreg
Did that post resolve to a point? After reading through it I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.

I had the same thoughts. The only thing I could gather from it was that he was looking for some justification in his preference of wine coolers & shots over beer in order to save his masculinity.

Personal preference is just that....personal. If your that wound up about how others view you based on your beverage, then theres more to your issue than you think.

Drink what you want to drink and if you feel others view you lesser of a man for drinking that beverage then spit in it first and scratch your nuts while you drink it....what could be more manly?

[Moniker]

If all else fails, just go to a gay bar. They won't judge your drinks.

[Cain]

Might I inquire as to why you don't drink alcohol at all?

Fair question. It's the result of at least three factors as far as I can tell:

1) Parental upbringing. My mom used to drink alcohol growing up as a kid, and then regularly on social occasions in the adult world. Apparently stopped altogether at some point. My father has always been a determined non-drinker (unlike his brother , my uncle, where I saw it help inhibit free-choices and squash anything resembling a desirable lifestyle).

2)Community: I listened to really crappy punk music and became enamored with straight-edge. I guess one must always disassociate himself from the crazies who blow up meat trucks, pick fights with smokers, and abstain completely from sex. Then there are those sophisticates that swear by "natural" highs (e.g. skydiving) because they're natural and artifical "chemicals" are viewed as evil. I'd rather have a beer then get poison ivy rubbed all over my body, but the distinction is usually lost on them. That said, I think a great deal of straight-edge represents makes sense for me. In addition to not drinking, I don't eat meat, do drugs, and try to limit my caffenine intake whenever it's realistically possible.

3. Personal experiences.

I dunno, it might be an irrational disposition (though not any more irrational than drinking). It depends on social circumstances. In England, for example, everyone takes turns buying rounds. Respecting those cultural norms can increase human bonds and solidify friendships by "opening up". But I guess this would require me to use hallucinogenics if I found myself living with the Yanamano in South America.

I'd agree with this:

Drink what you want to drink and if you feel others view you lesser of a man for drinking that beverage then spit in it first and scratch your nuts while you drink it....what could be more manly?

I'm a waterholic.

[brett]

Originally posted by DarthGreg
Did that post resolve to a point? After reading through it I'm not really sure what you're trying to say.



Originally posted by brett
With a lack of recent hot debate, I bring this to the table. I hope you like beef. ^_^

I'm saying I dislike beer, do you like it and why/why not.

[Defrag]

Beer is good, but sometimes I'm not in the mood for it. There's nothing like sitting on a cloudless & hot day with a cold one ;)

[fUble_baSs]

Some beers just taste like shit. All those commercial beers worth crap. Coor, bud, molson beers, labatt beers and all those other "light" beers are a disgrace to the beers.

Buy some import or some from tiny brewery and you will have a better idea of what is a real beer.
My favorite are: Bass, New Castle, La Maudite, La fin du monde, U, Giraf and some others i cant remember.

[Halfbreed]

outside on a hot day margaritas > all

I like beer more then the hard stuff. Most of the time I only drink when I'm out at a bar so instead of ordering some juice or soda I order a beer. Not because i want to drink and get drunk but because i got to drink something and if Im in a bar might aswell be a beer. I cant stand anything golden colored. They all taste like piss water so I stick to Guinness. Hard liquer just burns my throat if I drink alot plus there is nothing like watching football at the bar and drinking a nice big frothy thick guinness.

[othell]

Although I can respect your distaste for beer... I do have to say that I resent the actual subject of this thread as it is completely baseless and disrespectful to those who might (gasp) have a different opinion of beer than yourself. Especially since the subject matter within this thread is based purely on personal preference and has no real factual qualities (other than the visual depictions) within it.

[-KoB-TWISTL]

Beer is an acquired taste. Any alcohol (not counting sugared up fru-fru drinks) is an acquired taste. But once you get past the "bight", you can start to appreciate the real flavor. I didn't like beer the first time I tried it (12), but that changed. :) Same for whisky. Now I prefer my whisky straight, or just with a little ice.

Hell, the first time I tried icecream I didn't like it, so I guess that was an acquired taste too.

[snaggle]

Be a man, drink Guinness.

It ain't beer if you can see through it.

Seriously, I drink Guinness because it's so thick and nasty I can't have more than one or two. I hate the taste of most beers, and would prefer a good malt beverage over one anyday. I know a lot of girls who were hot when they came to college, then they were introduced to beer...and got fat. It's a national epidemic loss of hot girls all around the country.

[Acharne]

only thing i drink that is alcoholic is an occassional wine cooler at a friends. call me a pussy if you will, i truly don't care, hehe.

[fUble_baSs]

american girls gets too fat because they eat too much and they eat shitty food. It's not because they drink beer..
I've been drinking since 8 years and i'm not fat. Neither are my friends.

As for the guiness, i must admit it's a pretty good beer. It wouldnt say that it's not good if you can see through it tho. They are some very good blonde and red beers out there.

[Kami-]

Beer tastes like ass. Pure liquid ass placed in a large vat and allowed to ferment for weeks.

The only thing worse than tasting beer is the smell of it being made... boiled hops... someone kill me, please.

Marijuana > Alchohol

[othell]

I always love when people say that something tastes like ass.

So I have to wonder... How do you know that beer tastes like ass?

[Summer]

I enjoy drinking beer from time to time. What I usually drink is Beck, Yuengling, Amstel Light, or Bud from tap. At one point in the past I hated it.

The acquired taste arguement does hold some water but I have another interesting idea for you to think of. I think the reason people enjoy different alcohols is because of why they drink alcohol. Let me try to explain a bit more.

To get drunk quickly you tend to drink certain things. If you don't know tastes of alcohol you tend to drink more newbier drinks. Stuff like rum and coke comes to mind. But if you're drinking just to relax while doing other stuff, you tend to drink different things.

The stuff I used to drink in highschool or early years of college is completely different from the stuff I drink now. Stuff that I used to think was so nasty, like vodka, scotch and beers I like so much more now because I drink better stuff. No more crappy Absolute or Coronas and stuff like that.

The truth is I wouldn't drink beer if it doesn't have alcohol. I'd rather drink water or soda because it tastes better. But some beers are good enough to drink for taste to relax while watching a game or a fight. I won't drink sweet drinks because I don't like the type of drunk it gives, stuff that I just didn't know back then. If I'm out with friends I'll tend to drink vodka drinks or lighter beers. If I'm relaxing at a friend's house watching TV, I'd have scotch or darker beers.

If all I drank was Red Dog, Coors light or stuff like that, I'd stop drinking beer forever. If all I knew about vodka was Absolute, Skyy or stuff like that, I'd stop drinking vodka forever. I used to hate these stuff back then, and I still hate them now, but what I know now that I didn't know back then is that there are stuff like Goose, Belevedere, Beck, and an occational Guinness.

To say you hate something because you only drink crappy versions of it is stupid. To say you hate beer because you hate drinking crap like Miller lite, try something better. To say you only like girlie drinks like seabrease because you don't know how to drink something like a robroy is stupid because you don't know what's better. Hell if I didn't know any better I'd drink crap like Skyy Blue and Mike's lemonade.

This part I'll direct at Brett. You must not be looking in the right place because around here you can find beer most times cheaper than water, and often times cheaper than soda. But then again these are really crappy beers I used to drink freshman year in college when I didn't know any better.

It's weird because you can kind of tell what a person is like by the drink. From the posts listed here I can tell who the newbies are just from the stuff they listed. And I'm sure someone like TWISTL (got to nod the scotch neat) who seems to know a bit more might look at my drinks and think 'psst, newbie'

After a while getting drunk is no longer the goal. Fuctioning normally while relaxing with a couple of drinks becomes the goal. And getting that just right is a technique I continue to work on everytime my friends and I get together for drinks. Every once in a while I meet someone good at it and I think to myself, 'damn they know how to drink' while I look at the guy passed out in the corner and think 'damn newbies'.

[agent_ze]

you should already know that you don't put ice on pure scotch

[Sui]

beer is a gift from god

[-KoB-TWISTL]

Summer, you made some very good points. 1-After getting past the "drink any shit to get drunk" stage of your life (if you do, hehe), and after trying a variety of different alcohols, most people learn to appreciate quality. Whether that's a quality beer (Guinness) over cheap beer (Bud, Miller, Coors, etc.), or whether that's a martini with Bombay Sapphire over some gutrot 4$ bottle of gin. I would rather have one Guinness than a barrel of Bud. Actually, I won't drink crap beer anymore. If I'm at a picnic where there is only Bud or Miller on tap, I'll drink a coke. Hell, I would rather pay for a coke than drink a free Bud. I almost never order Scotch at a bar, because all they usually have are cheap blends. If it's not a single malt, forget it. 2-Different drinks for different situations. Good point. My drink of choice is Scotch, but if doesn't always fit the situation. If I'm at a "nibble" party (instead of a meal, there are tons of appetizers), I'm not going to wash down all that food with Scotch. I'd be shitfaced within half an hour. In that case I'll drink bourbon and coke, 7&7, rum and coke or somesuch. When I'm full, then I might grab the straight whisky. And as for the "newbie" drinks, I've tried lots of sweeter stuff. Sometimes it fits the atmosphere. Ever try Vanilla Coke with Captain Morgans? Not bad for a hot summer day, especially a picnic.

agent_ze, many Scotch "experts" always add distilled water to their Scotch. I find that repulsive. Neat is good, but they do have a point: adding water to most single malts opens up the nose and the flavor more. Too much and it ruins it though. I like a few ice cubes in Scotch: 1-I like cold drinks, 2-the melting ice supplies the water to open up the nose and flavor, 3-I can regulate the whisky/water ratio better by adding more of either.

[brett]

Although I can respect your distaste for beer... I do have to say that I resent the actual subject of this thread as it is completely baseless and disrespectful to those who might (gasp) have a different opinion of beer than yourself. Especially since the subject matter within this thread is based purely on personal preference and has no real factual qualities (other than the visual depictions) within it.

That's the idea :P Except there were facts there, like beer is one of the most expensive commonly available alcohol/litre % around, etc

If all I drank was Red Dog, Coors light or stuff like that, I'd stop drinking beer forever. If all I knew about vodka was Absolute, Skyy or stuff like that, I'd stop drinking vodka forever. I used to hate these stuff back then, and I still hate them now, but what I know now that I didn't know back then is that there are stuff like Goose, Belevedere, Beck, and an occational Guinness.

To say you hate something because you only drink crappy versions of it is stupid. To say you hate beer because you hate drinking crap like Miller lite, try something better.

Goose = Good stuff ;)

Miller? I'm Canadian, I don't drink that crap ^_^ You saw drink some better beer? What is better up here? ;( Other than imports.. Maybe I have been just drinking the wrong stuff, although I have had at least a can of 6-8 different kinds

[Insolence]

I know the first time I drank it, it tasted like bad
gotta love the grammer. :rolleyes:
other than that, you have a really legit point. i don't drink often just because it's so bad for your liver and whatnot, and i smoke enough cigarettes and pot that my lungs are already probably pretty fucked up. so i will just stick to inhailing my early death.

[RebbeL]

Fat Tire and Modelo > all.

and I hated beer horridly when I was younger and it is an acquired taste. But hot damn it tastes good now ;)

Hot summer day sitting in the pool drinking a cold one, doesn't get much better.

It is an acquired taste, however, it's not a taste that I want to acquire.

Just because alchoholism is something that affected some of my family members.

[Summer]

I'm going to share something with you which many of you might not know yet. You get drunk differently depending on the type of alcohol you drink. Even with different beers, you get drunk differently depending on what and how you drink it. That's kind of weird isn't it? I'm not much of an expert at this, but I'll try to explain.

Think back into movies you've seen, TV shows, weddings you've been to, anything like that. What does James Bond drink? What's with the cosmos in Sex and the City. Why is it almost any detective at a bar orders a scotch? White with fish? Red with meat?

Even though it's all alcohol it's all different, even with beer. I went down to PA a couple of years back and it was like 10 min from the Yuengling plant. I had about 5 to 8 beers. I wasn't hung over the next day, it was much cleaner/fresher. Even drinking it, it tasted better than any Yuengling I've ever had. That's why you order Bud from the tap. Just about every other beer they have there is older than the Bud (most commonly ordered) and is also fresher than any bottle they're going to have there.

I stay away from sweet drinks because my body feels like shit the next day. My head usually feels worse. Unfortunatly they're usually the easiest to drink, so that's what I started on. If I knew back then what I know now, I would have never drank stuff like Bicardis (clear or dark), Morgan nor would I ever drink 151/coke.

Vodka is more like a party drink. I don't mean party like music blasting, people dancing and sweating. I mean party like you get together with a bunch of people, get drunk and have fun. Cosmos and champagine is like the female version of vodka martinis, even screwdrivers, and beer. You'll get drunk, but unless you do it completely wrong, you won't feel sloppy. Drunk without acting like a drunk. And don't be stupid, don't put Goose in the freezer. Drink it straight warm, it's bitter chilled. Belvedere is better chilled. It's not Absolute, which tastes decent, but not worth the marketing price you have to pay. Unless you still live in a dorm with Absolute ads pasted to your walls, don't put it in the freezer. That's what strainers are for.

Scotch whiskey blends is more to relax. It's a very relaxing drink but don't drink too much, it can make you feel very sloppy. Scotch soda, scotch water, scotch rocks, or scotch neat. Relax, have a seat with a couple of drinks. Scotch beer is nice to have with a meal.

With beer in a way I think it's more important because you end up drinking much more of it, so it's more important to drink something that taste better. I hate Coronas and all other light beers except Amstel (it has a fuller taste) But if I'm out in a BBQ light beer is not a bad choice. For night, I usually drink Beck. It's not too expensive (it's about 7-8$ for a six) and I'm not that big of a fan for really thick beer, so it fits me well.

I think Rolling Rock is Canadian. It's a lighter Becks. It's much cheaper (about 5$ for a six) I used to like it but I don't drink it anymore. I used to drink with girls often so I had to adjust what I drank for them. But I'll never drink those lemon drinks with them. I'll almost never get them a Corona. They'll never drink something like a Guinness. So I comprimised with Becks and Amstel even though I feel like an idiot drinking Amstel sometimes.

And can you believe it. I only had 4 beers yesterday. 2 Becks, 1 Corona, and a Bud at a bar. 1.50$ draft. I think a Sprite costs more than that. Damn girls only had Coronas so I had to get them some better beer. At least I feel fine now and not even slightly hung over. But I guess technically it's still the weekend. ;D

[LuTze]

First of all i can't believe cain wrote such a long personal response to why he doesn't drink. First of all its bad for you (baring studies that show one drink a day is healthy) and being drunk is stupid.

That aside i love my alcohol, i love buzzing and being drunk occasionaly is fun.

Brett i don't know where you are but i get beer pretty cheap. $8 for a case of milwaukee's best ice. Its what we drink around here. Cause its cheap and when its cold its drinkable.
No i don't drink it for the taste i drink it to get buzzed or drunk depending on how the night goes. If you want to drink for taste you definatly dont' drink low end beer.

As far as an acquired taste why do tons of people drink coffee personally i think it tastes horrible, but apparently people think its good. ( i do like coffee flavored things though so i don't know)

Shots are a good party thing but when theres a bunch of us just sitting around hanging out its more social to just sit and drink beer at whatever pace you want then to be doing shots.

Before you throw beer to the wayside try some killkenny. (has anyone ever found this in the states? i've only been able to get it while in canada!). Try a porter too, (i've been drinking anchor porters recently) it doesn't have the biter bite of the beers you dont' like and the aftertaste is great.

As for the 'mixed drinks are for chicks' your right people shouldn't give a shit about what your drinking. But there is definately a social stigma against guys drinking 'chick' drinks. Part of it is tradition. Father and son drinking beer together was as big a past time as fishing. We are a country of beer drinkers (beer was much healthier/ safer then water), probably most countries too. Also come on you've never tried to act macho infront of your friends? You never did anything dumb growing up just to see who was the biggest dumbass (read man). Drinking shitty beer over good tasting chick drinks is just another big pissing contest between guys. And if your at a bar beer is generally cheaper anyways.

And if you going for taste and getting drunk Irish car Bombs!!

[beerbob]

Hell, make your own...like i do !!!

YEs, I'm a homebrewer! Make great beer, not that cheap watered down swill made by the big 3 ( BudMillOors).

The reason you get a hangover from some beers is because of 2 things: Alchohol depletes the body of water AND Fusels.
Fusels are higher order alchohols other than ethanol ( which is what you only want in the form of alcohol ) that naturally occur during the fermentation process if temperatures are not carefully maintained. ferment with some yeast strains too high(warm) and you get lots of fusels ( such as in Belgian ales and all....drink a few of them and you may feel like crap later.

The chances of getting a headache from LAGERS is much less...because lagers are a different yeast strain and are COLD fermented ( usually around 42- 52 degrees F ) whereas ALES are femented just below room temp and produce many esters ( just another form of alcohol that tastes fruity to sweet, etc.. ).

The second thing that can help prevent "hangovers" is drinking beer that contains lilve yeast in it. ( in other words, beers that are "Bottle Conditioned or cask ales".
Because when the body is trying to repair the damage you have done to it via the alcohol, it needs B vitamins to metabolize nutrients and lo and behold, alcohhol happens to remove those vitamins from the body...so if one knows they are going to go on a slight bing so to speak...then taking B2,6,12 vitamins before or after drinking...can reduce the effects of hangovers !!!!
Live yeast is naturally full of these B complex vitamins...!!! so for instance, when drinking that type of beer or homebrew.... one really has to push it to get a hangover.... ( it works, I know ! )

anyway..

just my 2 cents worth...didn't want to get too deep :).........but I saw a thread on beer and just can't pass it up !!!

LOL

[crz]

Originally posted by agent_ze
you should already know that you don't put ice on pure scotch

amen.

on another note, i prefer radenbach, a nice beer from belgium ive only had the pleasure of drinking once.

[Jackel]

I'm from Vancouver as well so I know what you mean about the prices of beer.

However I have to disagree with your position that advocates of beer are marketing tools.

Beer is clearly an acquired taste, something that certain people will like and others wont. I am a huge fan of beer, not the cheap stuff like canadian or kokanee (although i'll drink it if its around)...im more of a micro brewery fan. Granville Island makes some good lagers.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that others don't. I could just as easily say advocates of fruity drinks are a drain on our health care system. All the added sugar in them is bound to increase the number of people with diabetes. Plus it makes the hangover so much worse with all that sugar.

As for the price of beer....thats only in Canada because of taxes by the Provincial government. I've traveled quite a bit, and beer is ALOT cheaper in the US and in other parts of Canada that don't tax alcohol quite so much.

[SkullSav]

if this is an intellectual conversation i have lost hope in humanity.

drink -> fucked up.

period.

waste your retarded banter elsewhere.

[Ignatz]

... why did you respond to a four-year old thread

also: if you prefer Bacardi Silver over beer you need to check for your balls because they might just have got up and left.

[Moniker]

If all else fails, just go to a gay bar. They won't judge your drinks. Four years later and I adamantly stand by my original stance.

[MeestarK]

Jesus, this is some serious thread necromancy.

edit: only nancies drink coolers.

[kno[x]]

Coolers are for women.

[free]

How did people get so insecure that if you drink a certain alcholoic beverage your sexual preferance is questioned.

Ill drink a cooler over a beer any day.

[Redneck]

Well, I drink Coors Original as a normal beverage of choice. In the south, you grow up learning to love beer. I had my first beer when I was 9-years old (complements to my brother).

On a side note, I also like Lynchburg Lemonade. It isn't a beer, but taste hella good.

QFT. Coolers...lol not even women drink those around here. And why the fuck is this thread 4 years old?

[TkMasTaH]

I really dont care for most commonly advertised american beers(i.e. coors/miller/bud), particularly the cheap ones. However, I do enjoy some of the Sam Adam's brews, particularly Black Lager. I also really like Shiner Bock, Kronenberg 1664 (sp?), Blue Moon, Hoegardden, Pyramid (the apricot brew is fantastic) and others that I cant think of at the moment. However, I would never drink these beers to get drunk, because firstly, they are too good for that, and secondly, they are to filling to really drink that many.

I really didnt like beer at first. The first beer I ever had was Heineken, which too this day, I think tastes like skunk. I also still dislike any pale ales, I think these too all taste like shit. I aquired a taste for beer in college from drinking natty light/ice all the time. After that, even coors tastes fantastic.

[kiken]

Fair question. It's the result of at least three factors as far as I can tell:

1) Parental upbringing. My mom used to drink alcohol growing up as a kid, and then regularly on social occasions in the adult world. Apparently stopped altogether at some point. My father has always been a determined non-drinker (unlike his brother , my uncle, where I saw it help inhibit free-choices and squash anything resembling a desirable lifestyle).

2)Community: I listened to really crappy punk music and became enamored with straight-edge. I guess one must always disassociate himself from the crazies who blow up meat trucks, pick fights with smokers, and abstain completely from sex. Then there are those sophisticates that swear by "natural" highs (e.g. skydiving) because they're natural and artifical "chemicals" are viewed as evil. I'd rather have a beer then get poison ivy rubbed all over my body, but the distinction is usually lost on them. That said, I think a great deal of straight-edge represents makes sense for me. In addition to not drinking, I don't eat meat, do drugs, and try to limit my caffenine intake whenever it's realistically possible.

3. Personal experiences.

I dunno, it might be an irrational disposition (though not any more irrational than drinking). It depends on social circumstances. In England, for example, everyone takes turns buying rounds. Respecting those cultural norms can increase human bonds and solidify friendships by "opening up". But I guess this would require me to use hallucinogenics if I found myself living with the Yanamano in South America.

I'd agree with this:



I'm a waterholic.

sorry but from what i gather it sounds like you wanna blame your drinking on your parents and the comunity you live in. If this is true then can i blame my Smoking on my mother. oh yeah following your logic i should also be smoking a joint everyday being as that was common in my dads house as well as our comunity.
Back on subject i love beer as it was already said beer is great on a hot day and unlike a shot you can keep drinking beer and take your time enjoying it.

[Moniker]

2)Community: I listened to really crappy punk music and became enamored with straight-edge. suddenly, it all starts making more sense. the picture has become clear.