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Kastro
July 20th, 2003, 01:25 AM
I just read that thread that was heading in the wrong direction for the first time as i don't read any tfc forums anymore (just tech center and general discussion). i guess i'll make it clear to everyone as to what is going on:

i was approached one day about someone possibly buying the catacombs. lich nor i are interested in doing anything with the site anymore as we both have a lot of stuff going on in our lives at the moment. instead of closing it down, we decided to indeed sell it. why sell you ask? well, we put a lot of time into the site and we have had offers in the past to make a lot of money off of the site. we both agreed that we didn't want the site to fill up with spam and banners and make you guys pay to register or have a pay per registration sponsor type deal where your info is given out. looking at it from a business standpoint, we realized we had something good and we'd like to get compensated for our work over the last couple of years. call us sellouts if its your cup of tea, but we provided a service to you just like anyone else provides services that people pay for. you're not even going to be paying for this service either, someone else will as has been done for our hosting.

anyway, i was approached by evil69 as he expressed interest. when the PB guys heard about it they (as i was told by Lich) expressed interest in purchasing the site as well. i was then told that they were out of the running for it and i decided to sell it to evil. a down payment was made to keep it in his hands and the sale was completed.

after being approached by gunslinger and redman, i found out some things that i was unaware of previously. PB did a great deed for us when they took over the hosting of the site and held it like pwnz.net did, so it was only natural to keep it on their servers as redman expressed interest to me personally once again that he wanted to purchase the site. i talked it over with lich and we agreed it would be in the best interest of all three parties involved to do so. i returned evil's down payment on the site with an apology as i felt uncomfortable about the situation and the promise i had made, but there is other info which is personal that i'd rather not release that pretty much made it hard to hand the site over to him.

that said, redman and PB as well as GBC will be running the site from this point on. the sale will be completed hopefully by next week and lich and i will become what i have always considered us to be anyway, innocent bystanders of the site. I never really used my admin powers on the forums unless it was drastically needed and i tried to provide you with the best staff possible to run with our vision.

a couple of things id like to say before the site is handed over.

we started the site because when i was in negative zero and lich was in the undead, we both did predictions on our own sites and liked doing so. lich and i had a vision to put the sites together and do predictions on one site. that became a reality when catacombs v1 was built and we expanded into a news section. we quickly gained the interest of about 250 people a day and decided the site needed more information. we expanded it into a full blown tfc news site to compete with the news sites at the time, most notably TFTribune. we didn't like how Tuba (although respected him for it) was running his site so we decided to change some things around and make the necessary changes to get more visitors.

all in all, we pretty much took over the scene when we spent countless hours doing match results the night of matches (manually might i add, which is something we are proud of) so that people would have something to read the next day at work in the mornings. eventually as you all know, tftribune shut down. other sites popped up throught the times, but none combatted our "monopoly" on the tfc news scene. we thank everyone for their participation in helping the site become what it is today and we couldn't have done it without you. there are the people like Vr and other spyfx followers or followers of other sites that died trying to beat us out that will always be the biggest hypocrites on the planet and talk about how they hate this site and all and still come here and post daily. we welcome you rejects just like we welcome everyone else, all of you helped make it a diverse place.

i never expected the site to become a "way of life" as some of you have put it to anyone in the community and i never took it as so. it was a fun project to work on for the amount of years we did and i'm sure everyone else who worked on it feels the same way. there is just a burn out point that both lich and i got to and its time to move on. i rarely even have time to do my homework anymore, nonetheless work on this site. i'm sure pb and the gang will do a great job with it.

thanks to everyone that's stayed with us over the years, love us or hate us, the site is here for you to use at your own free will.

good luck to pb and company in the future as i konw they will hold the name in the high regards we hoped it would attain some day.

Koron
July 20th, 2003, 01:30 AM
Well, the thread isn't locked, so I'll give my opinion.

This site is simply a forum now. This forum exists only because Pointblank has provided it with a fast, reliable server to keep it up. I wasn't aware the site had any real monetary value. If you guys sold it and put up all kinds of ads, all that would be needed would be the PB guys to just put up another board with a different name, but on the same server.

If they want to compensate you for building up a user base, that's fine. I really think the dot com bubble burst long ago, and a site like this has no real monetary value what-so-ever, but perhaps that is just me.

[HCA]SonGoku
July 20th, 2003, 01:30 AM
I would like to thank Lich and Kastro for what they have done since day one for the community. No other news site has had such an impact of this magnitude on the TFC community like the catacombs. You made the right choice by having PB run the show from now on along with GBC. GG to both of you

Melt
July 20th, 2003, 01:34 AM
Thanks Kas, All the bullshit aside you guys did provide something for nothing. Was a good time and i appreciate the chance to work on the site with you guys multiple times.

Kastro
July 20th, 2003, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Koron
Well, the thread isn't locked, so I'll give my opinion.

This site is simply a forum now. This forum exists only because Pointblank has provided it with a fast, reliable server to keep it up. I wasn't aware the site had any real monetary value. If you guys sold it and put up all kinds of ads, all that would be needed would be the PB guys to just put up another board with a different name, but on the same server.

If they want to compensate you for building up a user base, that's fine. I really think the dot com bubble burst long ago, and a site like this has no real monetary value what-so-ever, but perhaps that is just me.

your opinion is your opinion, but i don't think you understand what we went through to get to where the site is today. a lot of behind the scenes thing that nobody will ever know about and i don't care to share (i'd be writing an essay at that point) and a price on the things we did or people did for us cannot be put on such.

Weatherby
July 20th, 2003, 02:36 AM
you guys should have put it up to the highest bidder...you never know how much you could have sold it for :cool:

but I commend you both for giving us a place to go to get humored. I have enjoyed it for 3 1/2 years or so!! gg lich and kastro

greg-
July 20th, 2003, 04:48 AM
it was always a great thing you guys did for the community, hopefully the sale wont change the views of you guys. gl to the new owners.

el-inerto_
July 20th, 2003, 06:10 AM
Will you two still be hanging around here (along with the other admins)? It's kind of late and I'm still a bit confused, but what of the admins and etc.? Sorry if I come off as ignorant, because most likely I am. :)

July 20th, 2003, 06:13 AM
I'd rather have it in the hands of PB and GBC then Evil69 lol

July 20th, 2003, 12:24 PM
kastro i remeber when you left your cell # on yoru pwell records .com site and i prank called you alot :)



anyway i love you - not the gay love , but love in the way that black people use the word


hah - peace blue

FluxCapacitor
July 20th, 2003, 12:34 PM
I learned how to play TFC from this site and all i have to say is gl in the future.

hypno
July 20th, 2003, 03:28 PM
Eh, i'm sorry that you guys are selling it, but let it be known, I never really complained about the free service you provided, if anything I was grateful and still am today. Although I don't really play TFC anymore I still post and read here as often as possible and enjoy every moment of it. When TFC became boring, these forums added a kind a community sense to it, forming rivals and alliances. So it probably kept me in the game alot longer than I would've been. What I guess i'm saying is I'll miss the way you guys admin'd and made the cats and I hope it never changes.

I hope my post made -some- sense, just wanted to show my gratitude for what you guys have done, I know alot of dumbasses complain and shit, just wanted you to know not everyone was like that.

Toast -A-
July 20th, 2003, 03:43 PM
*sighs* gbc is SO much better then evil :rolleyes:

July 20th, 2003, 07:17 PM
I'm not going to lie and say that I could do better than all of them. The number of people easily beats just me.
However, I have decided to join them and offer my services still.

So, you're going to get my help whether you want it or not :p

Solo
July 20th, 2003, 07:37 PM
Cool Kastro :) Good for you and Lich both. You earned your keep on this site. I think GBC will be good for catacombs and maybe it won't be just a forum for too much longer! I know there was a site that has been almost finished, and almost ready to go online (for real) for a few weeks now. With new management to drive things it will breathe new life into the site IMO, and good management at that. A tip of the hat you Kastro and Lich thanks for your efforts.

Direhit
July 20th, 2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by Phantom
Will the admins be changing or still the same ones?

All that will be discussed soon by Redman061[PB].

Drinks With Evil
July 21st, 2003, 03:33 AM
Just wanted to say this forum was a birthplace for alot of stuff if you look at it. Controversy crying, joyous occassions some funny stuff aside. And it was all free except maybe having to put up with greenbeards flames :P You guys did a great service and thanks for doin it and keeping us cheap people interested

July 21st, 2003, 11:53 AM
No flaming in non flammable forums.

- Lich

i forgot what i wrote but i curse alot, u could left he nice stuff i said... and removed the cursing, what i said wasnt flame, it was fact

NukeleaR
July 21st, 2003, 12:44 PM
I simply hope that PB handles it in an unbiased manner and decides to let the community manage it for the most part. I also hope you guys will make informed decisions on who will admins. Hopefully in depth interviews and trial adminship would be an option.

Naufragus
July 21st, 2003, 06:44 PM
No way I'm reading all that.

maizy
July 22nd, 2003, 12:22 AM
I want to thank PB. I don't give out thanks to suits (aka the man) but Redman and most of the PB group are good people. I want to give my deepest thanks to redman because he is letting cats grow. I was very skeptical about them running the show since I distrust anyone but Kastro and Lick. However, after a long talk to Redman, I think we all should thank the PB people for allowing one of the last TFC traditions to stay alive.

Thanks PB.

maizy

k2 summit
July 22nd, 2003, 02:30 AM
pb knows this site will become huge (csnation) once tf2 comes out so ya.

Dingo
July 22nd, 2003, 04:59 PM
i have to agree, keep the forums how they are now, and just get the main page up ffs.

And dont mess it up, we have something good going here and there really isnt many changes needed except the main page.

July 23rd, 2003, 09:07 PM
Just wondering: How much did you sell it for?

BoyG
July 24th, 2003, 01:21 PM
I heard upwards of $3 maybe even so much as $5.50. . . that's just hearsay though

Hica
July 24th, 2003, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by BoyG
I heard upwards of $3 maybe even so much as $5.50. . . that's just hearsay though

LOL ouch..

July 24th, 2003, 04:02 PM
Props to Lich and Props to Kastro for keepin in goin for so long, awesome and thanks guys.

Damion
July 25th, 2003, 09:05 AM
Happy to see that you got some compensation and acknowledgement that it seems you were wanting.

I think that many TFC players have been able to meet their need for some kind of warm community here at Catacombs and I know I personally feel grateful thinking about that.

Nomad
July 26th, 2003, 04:00 AM
GG to Kastro and Lich, and thank you.

WingNut
July 27th, 2003, 03:51 AM
So... outta the $125,000 who got what? :D

Clank
July 27th, 2003, 08:39 PM
hmm. ALRIGHT. as long as the forums stay up.

maizy
July 27th, 2003, 11:28 PM
Lich gave me a pearl necklace...

shanked
July 29th, 2003, 11:43 AM
bet they let goku run it....bye catacombs

suabocowa
July 29th, 2003, 04:36 PM
GG to Kas and Lich. Being a software consultant myself, I am aware of the time and effort it took you guys, especially in the early months. Many have loved and hated you guys at various times over a variety of issues. However, everyone who ever came to this site should give you all a well deserved pat on the back and a thanks for your efforts. Whatever you got out of it is likely not enough, but I am sure your experience and relationships you garnered over the years as a result more than make up for any possible compensatory shortcomings. GG once more!

suabocowa

greenbeard
July 30th, 2003, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by WingNut
So... outta the $125,000 who got what? :D


you mean 32.50 and a quiklube 10% off coupon