Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL right now.

[Solo]

The topic of the thread says it all. When a play needs to be made he makes it. 12/12 in the 4th quarter for 168 yards despite all of the Pitt. blitzes and the loss of Matt Light on his O line. The Colts and Indy are winning with a lackluster offense right now and Manning is still a great QB, but Brady's intangibles make him untouchable for me in this debate.

[TheJTrain]

If you watch the steelers constantly you'll see the secondary get picked apart. But this was just hard to watch.

[NecMo]

that play when rodney harrison tore up his knee was awful

[Sid6.7]

Brady's intangibles make him untouchable for me in this debate.

intangibles like him being from michigan!

[Magus]

intangibles like michigan sucking ass

solo still rides the cock after they leave I see

[Solo]

Being from Michigan certainly helps!

[Ty1]

As much as Solo's Michigan goggle cloud his vision a bit, I dunno how you can argue much with this thread....

Especially with how much the Colts are struggling.... they couldn't score vs the damn browns... THE BROWNS.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

The Colts and Indy are winning with a lackluster offense

OK, Mr. Redundancy.

AHAHAHA, I'm so clever because I make fun of people online when they make a typo. I demand respect. :cool:

On the topic of the Colts, it is the copy-cat tendency of the NFL at it's most obvious. Teams are just filling the defensive backfield with bodies and forcing the Colts to have Edgerrin James beat them. Working damn well too...

[stas]

The topic of the thread says it all. When a play needs to be made he makes it. 12/12 in the 4th quarter for 168 yards despite all of the Pitt. blitzes and the loss of Matt Light on his O line. The Colts and Indy are winning with a lackluster offense right now and Manning is still a great QB, but Brady's intangibles make him untouchable for me in this debate.

IN WEEK THREE I SEE YOU WINNING THIS DEBATE

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

If you are listening to the Sunday night game, it's obvious that Eli Manning is the best QB of all time. Duh.

[[GoW]DarkLight]

im a pats fan and i duno if id say hes the best overall QB. I would say however, he is by FAR the best QB when hes under pressure to perform.

[Solo]

Stas I don't understand your post? What I'm talking about has no relevance how far into a season we are. The statement is simple that Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL at this time. Any time last year one could argue Peyton Manning (but not necessarily win the debate), but the way Manning is currently performing I don't have a hard time going with Brady on this one.

[AGT-Shady]

You all know I'm a Steeler fan, but I have to agree with Solo, that fucking guy plays balls to the wall whenever he has to, and that's the mark of a great QB.

As far as our secondary getting picked apart, usually I would totally agree with you, but THIS game the front 3-4-5 got so little pressure many of his throws he had all day to wait for guys to come open.

I have no idea why we didn't start defending tht West Coast offense crap after Light went out, they let Brady dink and dunk for most of the 2nd half.

The one really positive note I took away from the game was that unlike in the AFC Championship game, Big Ben shook off his early erraticness and played his ass off in clutch time to try to put them in a position to win, which was amazingly harder than it should have been while our fucking line kept letting people walk in like a fucking sieve. he was wearing Patriot defenders for most of the last 3 quarters ffs. If he can become 1/2 the QB Brady is right now we'll get at least 3 SBs of our own.

[MeestarK]

This was a great game to watch, and my friends and I were all split down the middle in our rooting. I hate the Patriots and Tom Brady, but you've got to respect how good he is.

[Solo]

Shady I'm not sure what game you watched, but a lot of the time Brady didn't have time to throw. Early in the 4th quarter they were displaying the "Pressure stats" and brady had been sacked 3 times knocked down 4 times and hurried 9 times. With the amount of blitzing by the Pitt. D there was no way for him not to have stats like that.

I do understand what you're saying to a degree though. On downs they didn't blitz Brady had all day to throw. A couple of the throws he made were just silly good. Pinpoint accuracy to make sure his WR doesn't get laid out or just out of reach of a defender etc. A lot of the 168 yards he had in the 4th though were YAC though so that's as much on his receivers as it is on him.

On a side note... LT is the best RB in the NFL, but some of that could be due to his FB Lorenzo Neal... that guy was a beast in front of him tonight. What an exciting Sunday night game that I thought would suck.

[TheJTrain]

LT is the best RB in the NFL

So happy I didnt have to play against him in FF this week :p

[Si|Ver]

Brady was terrible week 2 against the panthers. Mcnabb is the best qb in the nfl right now.

[AGT-Shady]

Shady I'm not sure what game you watched, but a lot of the time Brady didn't have time to throw. Early in the 4th quarter they were displaying the "Pressure stats" and brady had been sacked 3 times knocked down 4 times and hurried 9 times. With the amount of blitzing by the Pitt. D there was no way for him not to have stats like that.

After the 1st quarter, they had at least 2 guys running hot route stuff, quick slants/quick outs, and even when we blitzed we couldn't bet the 2 sec throw. That is an example of something that counts as a hurry but really isn't in the sense that the play is designed for him to throw quick. Don't let FF skew your vision of what actually happens bro, the stats rarely tell the whole story.

[ktslim]

Brady was terrible week 2 against the panthers. Mcnabb is the best qb in the nfl right now.

I would've cried if someone didn't mention this guy by now.

Status Alert: Probable Sun. vs Oak. 9/24 (Chest Contusion/Groin/Abdominal Strain)

Wk 3 OAK W 23-20 30 of 52 365yds 57.7pct 62lng 2td 1int 84.2rtg 3rushatt 8yds 2.7avg 0td

lol, when Tom brady puts up HALF of these numbers with 3 injuries against a good AFC team, then you can continue to make nuthugging threads like these. But until then, shut the fuck up already about Tom Brady.

[Solo]

Oakland and SF are good teams to be bragging about McNabb's numbers? Just asking.

[Kool_Guy_RyanN]

Carson Palmer anyone?!

[broken]

dilfer is the best!

[WorldRunner]

dilfer is the best!

:cool:

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

I didn't know Oakland and SF were good either and I'm a 49ers fan. Mcnabb has the NFL's prime receiver as a target a blind deaf mute can throw to him. Brady can have a bad day once every........3 seasons ( Carolina loss ). The eagles got dominated my the falcons and squeaked one out past the raiders. He has lots of yard big deal but stats dont win games. Perfect 4th quarter drives do. D mcnabb has failed every time he's put on the big spot as we can clearly see the past 4 years.

Yeah, he's really failed the last four years. It's not like he has 7 playoff wins during that span. And before you start spouting some BS about how he chokes, he has had exactly 2 games the last four playoffs in which he played poorly: vs Tampa Bay and vs New England. He played exceptionally well versus St Louis in that loss, despite not having anybody to throw to and was playing well versus Carolina before his sternum was destroyed by a cheap hit. Additionally, ignore what he did when he had Torrence Small and Charles Johnson, followed by Todd Pinkston and James Trash, as his top receivers. He still put up good numbers, both in terms of wins and yards/TDs, despite having what essentially amounted to having #3 and #4 WRs as his top targets.

When your boy wins a BIG game you can talk about him being the best. As far as Peyton he's what he is because his receiving core and apparently they don't want to play this season so he's in trouble.

Maybe you should actually watch a Colts game. The reason that Peyton's stats are struggling is because defenses are just dropping eight and nine people back, so the receivers have nowhere to go to get open. They are forcing the Colts to use Edgerrin James more than they have in the past if they want to score points. Harrison and Stokley epitomize professionalism and Wayne is in a contract year. They are all motivated.

I'd take Bress and Palmer over either of them the way they have the potential to play. But Brady is still #1 and will prove it again this year as another depleted NE team takes the cake.

I find it funny that you say Manning is all about his receivers, when Palmer has a great bunch as well. I'm not doubting that Palmer is very good (hell, I said he would be the entire offseason), but your logic is horrible. And if "Bress" is actually Brees, I'm going to laugh maniacally at you because he is an average QB, slightly above-average at best.

[ktslim]

I didn't know Oakland and SF were good either and I'm a 49ers fan. Mcnabb has the NFL's prime receiver as a target a blind deaf mute can throw to him. Brady can have a bad day once every........3 seasons ( Carolina loss ). The eagles got dominated my the falcons and squeaked one out past the raiders. He has lots of yard big deal but stats dont win games. Perfect 4th quarter drives do. D mcnabb has failed every time he's put on the big spot as we can clearly see the past 4 years. When your boy wins a BIG game you can talk about him being the best.

Maybe you didn't catch the Eagles game. They can't win in the fourth quarter? Maybe I was watching the fake game or somethin, but I coulda swore the Eagles and the Patriots games ended the exact same way...? Same score and everything, and that somethin...? Maybe it's just me though...

And damn...we got "dominated" by the Falcons too? Shit, four points these days is just a new day in age for me. Especially after having a star linebacker thrown out for defending himself AND a star quarterback injured via cheap shot.

Well the Patriots losing to the fuckin' Panthers couldn't have been domination. I mean...these are the PATRIOTS. NO ONE CAN DOMINATE THEM. TOM BRADY IS FROM MICHIGAN AND HE'S GOD.

Give me a fuckin' break, the guy is good, yeah, but until I see him play with as much adversity as Donovan has played with in the last few years and still wins (whether it be *perfect* or not) then you can start runnin' your damn mouth. Lemme guess, the next loss that Patriots have, will be because Rodney Harrison's absense was taken advantage of, right? But wait, you still have Tom Brady...and quite frankly, That's All You Need.

Ya'll need to be on Adam Vinatieri's nuts, he's the best thing to ever happen to that team. Better hope Mike Vrabel has a good leg on him (just in case).

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

So let me get this straight because palmer has a good receiving core its not fair to compare him to Peyton? A GREAT qb adapts. Tell me who the MONSTER threat is at wideout for New England. No one their all average players. Brady has adapted in all situations and risen tot he occassion. Now that defenses found out hwo to stop Manning he's being bailed out by his D. Bottom line yeah mcnabb isnt bad but he's not better than Brady and that's a fact you cant deny. He is in fact the best NFC quarterback but that puts you anywhere from #3-5 in the league not 1 or 2. The NFC is still soft and has no prayer at the big dance. Mcnabb has had that to his advantage and their team is only getting better so he may make it back but 3 rings in 4 years speaks for itself. The fact that the eagles are not a know rushing team means mcnabb is going to air it out more hence more yards. He's a good player but sometimes his judgement is awful. Bress is up and coming mark my words he wont be the best but someone that will be remembered even though he lives in the shadow of LT.

What the fuck are you even saying? You said Manning is what he is because of his supporting cast, but Palmer has a comparable cast. How is he less a product of the system than Manning, then?

And why are you trying to compare McNabb to Brady? I never did. I happen to think that Brady is the best QB in the league. I was just refuting the other crap you wrote.

And Brees is not a great QB. I question whether he is even a good QB. He had an incredible 2 game stretch against two of the worst defenses in the league last year (NO and KC) in which he threw for over 500 yards and 9 TDs, but the rest of the season, his job was to simply not fuck up his handoffs and throw somewhere remotely close to Gates in the redzone. He definitely should not have gone to the Pro Bowl.

[Solo]

So the Patriots got dominated by Carolina in week 2 of the regular season. Who cares this isn't about just this season. The Eagles got destroyed by NE in the Super Bowl last year and GAVE UP. If you want to talk about just one game for this debate lets talk about that... but you don't want that.

Yes McNabb has 7 Playoff wins in the last 4 years. The last 3 times the Pats went to the Playoffs Brady has 9 wins and 0 losses.

McNabb has dealt with and overcome some serious physical adversity this year and in the past when he recovered from the major leg injury, but I'm not exactly sure how that makes him a better quarterback. Does that make his passes more accurate? Does that make his arm stronger? That gives him guts and earns him respect, but this is about who the better QB is.

And everyone keeps talking about how Brady had a horrible week week2. This must be saying something about how good he is. He completed 23/42 for 270 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT yet that's a BAD week.

If you want to go by Numbers Brady's Completion % (63-61) this year is higher than McNabbs. McNabb leads in yards 964-948 McNabb has a significant lead in TD's 8-3 all in all pretty even but this debate doesn't encompass only this year. You seem to think that McNabb has been somehow a super hero this year with his injuries and his numbers, but overlook the fact that they're not significantly better than Brady's. NE beat OAK by more than Philly. NE beat Pitt and lost to Carolina. Philly destroyed SF and lost to Atl. This year things are about even between the two teams.

So if they're even so far this year lets look at their track record. Tom Brady is the 2nd fastest QB in the history of the NFL to 50 wins (50 wins 65 starts I think was the number). He owns the NFL record for consecutive victories in the regular season and you can include the post-season into the actual length of the streak if you'd like. He's NEVER LOST A PLAYOFF GAME. When it matters he makes plays and does what needs to be done (see 2 last second Field goals drives in super bowls + in playoffs against OAK + the other 14 4th quarter/OT game winning/comeback drives.) McNabb's playoff record is what? 7-4? The Eagles did what against NE in the SB last year? GAVE UP?

McNabb has accomplished a whole lot of nothing in his career (without a ring it's meaningless when comapring him to Brady). He's a GREAT QB and easily one of the top 3 in the NFL right now. As far as performance this SEASON I'd probably take Carson Palmer over McNabb, but this isn't just about this year.

The whole crux of your arguement seems to revolve around the physical problems he's had to overcome. I'm having a hard time grasping how that actually makes him a better QB. That just makes what he does more impressive that doesn't actually make him better. This isn't about impressions it's about who the better QB is.

[DragonSmacker]

As much as this hurts me to say, I agree that Brady is one of the best in the NFL right now. I'm a Bears fan so I don't know much about good QBs, but last year I would have argued that Peyton is the best, and Brady was overrated. I no longer believe Brady is overrated, and he is extremely calm under pressure. He took what Pittsburgh gave him on the last drive, and did what needed to be done. And it never looked like it phased him. That's probably what pisses me off the most....

[sparkz]

There isn't a comparison between McNabb and Brady. I don't understand why people keep bringing this shit up.

[GangGreen]

BLEDSOE is the BEST quarterback
p.s. JULIUS JONES is the BEST runningback

haha

but no seriously..

qb:brady
rb:tomlinson

no questions asked

[Suicidal Anomaly]

Brady is the best QB hands down imo. Mcnabb has overcome a lot of injuries but that doesn't put him ahead of Brady. Anyone remember a guy named Steve Mcnair when the Titans had a good team before they had to let players go because of salary reasons? Not saying Mcnair is or was better than Mcnabb but that guy played hurt all the time and was (is) a good quarterback. He took his team to the superbowl and almost won but you won't find people comparing him to Favre or anyone like that. Brady simply has something that's Montanaesque as a lot of people around the league have said, particularly Walsh who coached Montana. He has the poise to go out there and do what needs to be done when it's that final drive down the field and he does it like he's out practicing. Stats aren't everything and playing hurt while being commendable doesn't make a quarterback better than another one because he can tough it out. If you're going to say that then we have to give credit to quarterbacks that don't get injured because whether you credit it to their o-line or their toughness they simply don't get hurt so that has to be commendable too. Brady has what the truly elite winning quarterbacks of the NFL have and it's something you can't measure with stats.

[saut]

God damn I hate Eagles fans.

[Moniker]

So if they're even so far this year lets look at their track record. Tom Brady is the 2nd fastest QB in the history of the NFL to 50 wins (50 wins 65 starts I think was the number). He owns the NFL record for consecutive victories in the regular season and you can include the post-season into the actual length of the streak if you'd like. He's NEVER LOST A PLAYOFF GAME. When it matters he makes plays and does what needs to be done (see 2 last second Field goals drives in super bowls + in playoffs against OAK + the other 14 4th quarter/OT game winning/comeback drives.) McNabb's playoff record is what? 7-4? The Eagles did what against NE in the SB last year? GAVE UP?
Okay, I remember having this stupid argument after they won the last superbowl. The New England Patriots were an awesome football TEAM. Tom Brady is just a piece to the puzzle, in that when surrounded by talent he can make things work because he handles pressure well. He's good in the system. But looking at him solely as a QB he is not the best by any means. He just happened to end up on a team with a dominating defense.

McNabb, on the other hand, IS the Eagles. If Brady has a bad game, the Patriots can recover despite it. If McNabb has a bad game, the Eagles lose, end of story. That's how you measure the true impact of a quarterback.

Brady is the best QB for New England, sure. He fits in their system, yes. But he is most definitely not the best QB in the NFL. If Tom Brady ever plays on a rebuilding team with a mediocre defense, and leads them to a conference championship, then maybe you might be able to make a case.

[Cyberdemon]

My old roomate (big Eagles fan) hates Brady for obvious reasons and I'm convinced his butt-chin is what's left of a Siamese twin, but the debate is usually settled with one immutable truth: the guy fucks Bridget Moynahan on a regular basis. And that's pretty cool.

[sparkz]

McNabb, on the other hand, IS the Eagles. If Brady has a bad game, the Patriots can recover despite it. If McNabb has a bad game, the Eagles lose, end of story. That's how you measure the true impact of a quarterback.

I used to think like you, then I realized that I was a fool. If you honestly think that Rohan Davey could have stepped in last year and taken that same Pats team to the Super Bowl, you're wrong. That's all there is to it.

Philly is probably the third best TEAM in the league. Their defense is strong, their offensive line is strong, they have T.O., and they have a great kicker. They've got skill players at skill positions, and they've got a great coaching staff.

The Pats are basically the same way, except over the past four years, they've managed to win despite being spoonfed a fuckton of misfortune. Call it a strong scheme or great coaching, but there have really only been two constants in each of the Pats Superbowl seasons; Bellicheck and Brady. Only one of those two guys wear pads. If the Pats do it again this year, and people still talk about how he's overrated or a product of a system, I'll be dumbfounded.



It should also be said that I fucking despise the Patriots. I'm from New England and I hate the fact that they're being portrayed as the greatest team of all time. Still, I'm not an unintelligent football fan, and anyone who thinks that McNabb is somehow more important to Philly than Brady is NE, is wrong. Point blank.

[Sutterkane]

lets see how he does with 2 inexperienced blind side offensive linemen starting.

[Mass123]

I don't know if you guys know, but the Pats shouldn't of won that game. Someone messed up the game clock and put like 50 extra seconds on it (enough for the Pats last scoring drive). However, I guess you can always say that if Pitt was the better team they shouldn't of been in that situation to begin with but whatever.

[FebreezE-BSU]

yeah kt... and the eagles will make it to the superbowl and LOSE again.. mcnab sucks get over it and move on with ure liFE

[Magus]

God damn I hate Eagles fans.
living in philadelphia during football season is a 24/7 BS fest

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

I don't know if you guys know, but the Pats shouldn't of won that game. Someone messed up the game clock and put like 50 extra seconds on it (enough for the Pats last scoring drive). However, I guess you can always say that if Pitt was the better team they shouldn't of been in that situation to begin with but whatever.

Oh. My. God. Because the 52 seconds were added at the beginning of the quarter, it did not help anybody. The play calling would have completely changed throughout the quarter and especially on the Pittsburgh last drive.

[saut]

Friday and Saturday nights (when everyone is drunk) here (at Penn State) are rediculous. Basically all you'll hear is "E! A! G! L! E! S! EAGLES!!!" Only to be countered with "Here we go steelers etc" or "Fuck the -- Eagles! clap clap clapclapclap"

I mean, it's fun, especially because Eagles fans make really shitty points trying to defend their piece of shit team, but damn do I hate the Eagles.

[Mass123]

Oh. My. God. Because the 52 seconds were added at the beginning of the quarter, it did not help anybody. The play calling would have completely changed throughout the quarter and especially on the Pittsburgh last drive.

Well, at least we agree the game probably would of had a different outcome, regradless of the winner.

[caedere]

If you are listening to the Sunday night game, it's obvious that Eli Manning is the best QB of all time. Duh.lol ;)

[Magus]

Friday and Saturday nights (when everyone is drunk) here (at Penn State) are rediculous. Basically all you'll hear is "E! A! G! L! E! S! EAGLES!!!" Only to be countered with "Here we go steelers etc" or "Fuck the -- Eagles! clap clap clapclapclap"

I mean, it's fun, especially because Eagles fans make really shitty points trying to defend their piece of shit team, but damn do I hate the Eagles.
yea, i've noticed that people actually do that more outside of the city... the closer to the city you get, the less that horrid eagles chant is used.

that being said, at my school (west chester u) it is chanted 24/7 and i want to break people's faces. But I will wait until they lose again, so I can hang up my banners around campus that have the title: "SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS"

Eagles - 0
Cowboys - 5

[Solo]

Like the 52 seconds meant Pitt. would have won? What a fucking moron. Pitt. never would have done what they did on their final drive with 52 seconds less on the clock. Turn up the pressure a notch on the time remaining for them and maybe they don't even score a TD.

[Mass123]

Well yeah maybe they wouldn't have won, but it could of changed the outcome. Then again, maybe you can see the future and I am an a moron.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

But the point is that it didn't give either team an unfair advantage.

There are hundreds of things could change the outcome. A bad holding call pushes the offense back 10 yards, which affects playcalling, which in turn could change the outcome.

[Craven]

the only reason this debate keeps getting rehashed is because idiot Patriot/Red Sox fans feel the need to throw their inferiority complex around (Solo in this case being the de facto Pats fan since he has a non-sexual man-crush on Brady)

and Eagles fans need to justify themselves all the time

Brady is very good, and so is McNabb, i cant believe somebody said that Brady is a better leader than McNabb which definitely isnt true and that Brady is more important ot his team than McNabb which is also definitely not true since they their entire offense around his abilities

i am not saying McNabb is more important or better in any aspect of the game, but in most aspects, he is definitely not inferior and for the big games, going to 4 straight division title games is impressive and if the Pats hadnt won the last 3 of 4 SB's nobody would be questioning that McNabb delivers in the regular season and in the playoffs

[H-Town]

McNabb went to 3 straight NFC championship games with a weak receiver corps and Brian Westbrook as the running game.

Tom Brady has won with probably the best overall team and the best overall organization in the past 10 years.

Peyton Manning put up ungodly numbers with a good receiving corps, but has had no defense to speak of.

Bottom line is where they end up this year - the Colts are 3-0 with a much better defense. If they go to the SB and win it, Manning will by far be considered the best QB in the game, especially after winning MVP last year.