OverKill Demo

[boughetto]

Tell me what you think... DOWNLOAD (http://sio.midco.net/illuzion27/overkill_ki_2fort.rar) Sorry for the slow host, it's free :/

PS-Need a compression program that opens .rar files.

[boughetto]

Originally posted by Hybrix
fucking stop with the overkill demos already

What do you mean? I haven't seen a post on here about him before...
SIMMA DOWN NOW

whos overkill

[jabroni]

Originally posted by -|{- SonGoku`PP
whos overkill
hes only the best defensive soldier there is...imo at least ;\
and besides...his demos are the best to watch since there always a shit load of "avi" material in each one.

[PHISH]

he's the best front line solly in tfc most likely, at least that submits demos.

[boughetto]

Wasn't my intention of posting this demo of a WOW this dudes good. He's fishy as fuck. I'd swear he wallhacks. Watch closely...

[Vanquish]

Watch closely, he's a euro, euro's play with Footsteps turned on. He's also played positions like that about a bajillion times before, you can see in other demos just how he's progressed. If you think he hacks go get billdoor's sparky anti-cheat dll thingy and watch em.

[Doug]

Rotfl, or you know, it's euro tfc with footsteps on... Headset + Footsteps = wallhack

[boughetto]

Originally posted by Vanquish
If you think he hacks go get billdoor's sparky anti-cheat dll thingy and watch em.

that won't catch a wallhack. you dont have to toggle on a wallhack or type any command. that sparky dll shit just catches like alias and commands and shit like +doaim (yes i know that, use to hack cs lol)

[Skins]

I've come to the conclusion that Overkill is just the best fl sol around. He's not like most other convicted cheaters who perhaps have ace shotty/AC aim or great prediction skills but are crap in other areas. Every aspect of Overkill's game is top notch (great rocket aim, shotty aim, conced aim, grens, prediction, comms etc). He's just really good, perhaps better than anyone else you've ever seen. Don't just jump to the cheater conclusion, some people are actually that good.

XACK WHERE IS THE "IS THE XD A SMILEY?" PICTURE?!

[Defrag]

I used to think he was a bit dodgy too, then I started to pick up my conced shotty aim and realised that he's just that good. Go watch a demo of AG HLDM and check out those guys, it makes you realise just how good people can be at videogames.

OverKill has uploaded just about every single important game he's played, including several where he's been called a cheat or been asked to upload his demo. He's either the most accomplished hacker ever or he has nothing to hide. I plump for the latter. He's just a TFC machine.

[zulrich]

I dont wanna play vs him O_o ... I wonder why ppl play spy on 2fort..

[violent1]

*shrug*

good...

[Blaze]

where can i DL more of his demos?

[Sponge]

Originally posted by boughetto
Wasn't my intention of posting this demo of a WOW this dudes good. He's fishy as fuck. I'd swear he wallhacks. Watch closely...

If by, "fishy as fuck" you mean, "extremely good" and by, "swear he wallhacks" you mean, "no way is he cheating because he has uploaded an insane amount of demos and never once been called out with any sort of validity," your statements are correct.

[Vanquish]

Yeah, but its mostly all 8 vs 8, its a trade off. They traded the extra man on D for footsteps.

[Paragon]

His conced shotty aim is ridiculous in my opinion... It just seems weird how he seemed to learn it way better than anyone else. I don't even see how you can "learn" such a thing since there are no indicators for your aim unless you perfectly remember where you were aiming before being conced... Or can perfectly compensate in the opposite direction that your view is swaying. He just seems to carry on without a problem. Other than that he seems very consistent and plays smart. His competition in this demo wasn't too impressive though.

[Brick]

Conced shotty aim is just something you get used to. I might have thought the same thing a long time ago, but I can't count the number of times I'm playing medic and I conc across some map only to turn around and shoot a chasing soldier and kill him. Or grenading someone while I'm conced and then killing them mid-air. I am not trying to brag whatsoever, what I'm saying is when you practice a little and get used to it, you'd be very surprised how little it affects you. You just basically keeping playing and kind of ignore the fact you are conced. Sounds kinda silly and hard I know, but with a little practice...you'd be surprised.

[Vanquish]

I'd be willing to bet that some NA top soldiers could compare with OK if they got used to playing the way he did. Here since we have the extra man back on D the front line soldiers aren't pressured as much to KILL the incomings as they are in 8 vs 8 situations.

Conced shotty aim is faily easy when ya get used to it. I find it much easier as a medic for some reason (I think its because I use a lower sensitivity for medic, I tend to over shoot with soldier). The screen moves in a figure 8, if you can memorize the sequence and timing you can tell where you're going to hit at any given time regardless of whether or not you know where your aiming before you get conced (IE once the figure 8 reverses direction it crosses your true point of aim exactly half way across). Its hard to do, obviously, and even harder to make it second nature as OK seems to have done.

I downloaded a conc-mod plugin that lets you conc yourself as any class for any amount of time. Just throw some bots into a map and practice. Don't do it for too long though, you'll get a headache. :p

[Zorro]

why does evreyone just acuse someone whos good of hacking :/ I remember that CryHavok kicked Draca][n out of |2 cause he said he was SURELY hacking in a 1v1, but then drac got in Nx and -VD and he shut up.. its just stupid, would you just let people who are good be good D: if you keep accusing evrey single person who is good of hacking we will be stuck with all 24/7 2fort servers :|

[sEJJE]

http://www.vgoa.com/usavswhiners.jpg

just a scrimmage today.. first time I have played with footsteps in a match before; not sure about the rest of USA team

NOTE: yes they were crying pretty much the whole round

[Jigga|]

-the shotty aim isnt that hard to pick up on..

-his rocket aim is unbelievable, he can knock a soldier down in 3 rockets and a blast from the shotty..

-he doesnt wallhack, i watched him with that hook thing and nothing came up + if u mess with your sound and put on some headphones when u watch him, you can hear the guys dropping on bments, and guys rocketing/HH up to that shortcut from FD to top spiral (blah cant remember name)

-i think hes an awesome soldier, just as gren happy as the NA soldiers heh. (like me)

[RiEmu]

Originally posted by Sejje

just a scrimmage today.. first time I have played with footsteps in a match before; not sure about the rest of USA team

NOTE: yes they were crying pretty much the whole round
lol :D
How did u come to play those spacks?

[Zexel]

he does move jerky and whores nades almost as bad as na's do

[-M-]

Originally posted by Sejje
http://www.vgoa.com/usavswhiners.jpg

just a scrimmage today.. first time I have played with footsteps in a match before; not sure about the rest of USA team

NOTE: yes they were crying pretty much the whole round


Jesus UK guys got ownd buth they ar yust some uk freeks who dosent reprecent UK TFC not even close to UK TFC!!

Btw Overkill is yust good and that demo is before ETAC whas setup up seen hime play vs IR when ETAC whas in place he dident do well with an vs IR. Buth who noos everybody got a bad day :)

PS My english sucks i no :(

[Vanquish]

If you ever watch some of OK's other demos, where he doesn't play front line soldier, he doesn't whore the nades. Theres a few of him playing button soldier on openfire_lowgrens, he takes out like 3 meds before he even thinks of priming a grenade. He just plays his positions well, when you've got a resupply right next to ya with grenades in it, and your job is to kill as many incs as ya can, you use everything you have.

[DeaconFrost]

where did u get the conc-mod plugin?

[Sui]

whats with the red block in that screenshot goku are you trying to hide something :p

[-M-]

Originally posted by Sui
whats with the red block in that screenshot goku are you trying to hide something :p

I think he whanne hide what classes they play so other people whont steel lineup they used (classes) se no point fore that :) vs a crap team like who they played.

My english sucks i no :(

[Vanquish]

What other language(s) you speak, M?

[-M-]

Originally posted by Vanquish
What other language(s) you speak, M?


Me portugees, dutch and shit english what i can wright speek good wright bad verry bad :(

My english sucks i no :(

[[CwO]Neu-Rf-]

hmm..

[violent1]

i haven't seen any of the other overkill demo's. based on this demo, i would never have thought he had great conc aim, which is why i am suprised it has been said so much.
he's definitly a good soldier, no doubt about that. but really, i think to omuch attention is being given :/ i guess if he really is one of the few that uploads demos, then he deserves the attention :)

lol, somebody commented on his jerky, spaztic movement. he's about as bad as me in that regard. i was thinking to myself as i watched it "wtf, copycat." ok, i wasn't really thinking that, but it was amusing to see somebody else twitch around like i do.

[Vanquish]

If you don't think he has good conced shotty aim check out this demo (http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?planetfortress/democenter/demos/demo01219.zip). He plays O medic on monkey_l, you would swear he wasn't conced at all yet he spends like half the match conced. Amazing stuff.

Hehe, I tend to be jerky like that myself, it works. If you ever say Paul_Bunyan play he'd always have his mouse moving. He once explained it to me along the lines of "newtons laws of motion, it is easier to keep something moving than it is to start it moving".

[FiReY]

wut fov does he play in?

[Defrag]

120.. his configs are upped somewhere. lol at that pickup team, I'm not sure what's more amusing, the fact that they got destroyed so badly, or the fact that you even took the time to hide the classes - pretty funny.

ya overkill is awesome

[Brick]

Originally posted by Defrag
120.. his configs are upped somewhere. lol at that pickup team, I'm not sure what's more amusing, the fact that they got destroyed so badly, or the fact that you even took the time to hide the classes - pretty funny.

rofl Defrag, I second that. Good call...

yeah, hide the classes on an ofire pick. :-/

[Xion]

I'm not surprised those spacks you played moaned ;p

OK is often accused of wallhacking, lots of people have looked at his demos and not found evidence of wh, just he is very good. Shotty aim when conced is very good, although since abuse of ex_interp over here was banned, he isn't quite the machine he was before but he is still one hell of a sol.

[KoolMoD]

Umm why exactly did you feel the need to post that screenshot Sejje? The game was arranged on a Saturday night at around midnight here, and I literally asked around and had the first 8 join play a pickup. As a result it was ultimately a team made up of division 2 and division 3 players which I explained after the game to CaponE and others.

It was always a pickup, with the theme of having a UK Pickup team vs a USA pickup team. In no way did it represent a "UK" TFC team, as half the people playing for us were Dutch. We simply used the UK tag as it was intended as a bit of fun.

The score obviously represented one which would happen when you've got a bunch of premiership American players playing against a bunch of Division 2/3 players. Yes most of the people playing for us moaned, but like I said after did you really expect as much considering they were playing offy snipers and engineers?

I don't know if it pleased your ego, but I think you ought to take the time to explain the background behind something, instead of posting meaningless pictures onto a forum.

I'll be sure to get a random bunch of Division 3 USA players nextime we organise one of these things, ask them to wear a USA tag and plaster them round various forums.

lol, wow

from all the hype, i thought this guy was supposed to be amazing

i've seen better top spiral solds vs a -much- better offense; i don't know what opposing clan that was, but that was really bad -- they just tried to run by him, didn't DM, ran in straight lines, and everything

wish i played vs those types of Offenses

[Defrag]

Judging by that demoname (only thing I know about Ki is that they have a few players that like to play Interp HW on pubs... :o ) I doubt it was much of a challenge - go check out some of his other demos against good sides if you want to see what he's all about. :)

[Vanquish]

check out the one against team france. :D
Stirred up a lot of shit afterwards.

[pho-nam]

rofl omg M u should post more your english owns all!!! im not trying to be mean or sarcastic im just saying how funny those sentences are u sir have made my day.

[-M-]

Originally posted by pho-nam
rofl omg M u should post more your english owns all!!! im not trying to be mean or sarcastic im just saying how funny those sentences are u sir have made my day.


Hahaha aai my english is shit i no i can live with it :)

i'll have to; i remember watching one euro demo that really impressed me, was of Micz or Mic(?) playing front door well soldier year or years back; don't know if id still be as impressed anymore, maybe he was just way ahead of his time back then i can't remember what it was like :D

[Xion]

Defrag, shocking comments, how dare you talk about Kasi that way?!

[CapnAmerica]

from all the hype, i thought this guy was supposed to be amazing
Same. Yes, he did do damn good, but their offense was pretty poor for the most part, and he used tons and tons of nades. He is very good, but I would not put him in a league over any other top NA soldier.. more like on par.

[Xion]

Go and watch some better demos of him then :)

[VP-]

nade whoreing spot why the fuck not use emmm especially when he makes the grenades count, his nails were rarely spammed he used them clever to cover the top spiral when he stepped out into lobby to fight, and to keep the enemy at bay while he adjusted his position... hrmmphhhh pretty good imho even if the O is sub par other demos show he can do the same versus other competition

[Defrag]

Lc just split, so it's clanless Mick :P

[-M-]

Originally posted by Defrag
Lc just split, so it's clanless Mick :P

Inactive mick

Originally posted by Paragon
His competition in this demo wasn't too impressive though.
omgz... if its the demo vs France ur crazeh... theyre all legends, he's just too good. Hes an amazing TFC player. Not only is his AIM amazing but if you watch other demos you see even more of his talent. Don't remember which but one of the ofire demos the other team only touches button once and didnt touch flag. That demo is also a prime example of how much of a not-a-nade-whore he is. For someone that good and goofs around as much as he does... Watch how fast he resets... its amazing... You can get a lot of them at eXtreme Demo Center too btw

[FebreezE-BSU]

even with everything said that guy/teenager whatever is a fucking machine

[kix[TCK]]

thought overkill admits to tweaking interp

[Xion]

Yup, just the same as -M- used to, just the same as a lot of people used to. However, ex_interp exploitation is now banned over here, and since then Overkill has not used.

[Some Guy]

Having footsteps enabled is an advantage.You can tweak wav files very easily.Turn certain sounds volumes up and you can here people coming a long way away :D

[ArSoNOpTiKS]

[SHS]uncleBRUCE > an][OverKill

[VP-]

ROFL some of the people commenting on his conced rpg/shotty and or just aim in general shouldnt be commenting on it and talk how concaim is easy and stuff when quite a few of them cannot come close to what OK is acheieving ( note some of the people that posted can and they know who they are ) just find it amuseing ne time i read a thread about someone good half the people replying suddenly turn into the pwnage tfc players in their post lol, and no i in no way shape or form will try and relate my pos soldier skills to OK hehe

[JFreak]

For all you doubters

The demo that Defrag referred to with amazing conced shotty as O med: http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~democenter/fiche.php?id=01219

Quite possibly one of his best demos against an amazing offy: http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~democenter/fiche.php?id=01150

Someone said M plays better top ramp sd2 than Overkill? hahaha: http://dynamic4.gamespy.com/~democenter/fiche.php?id=00785

[JFreak]

*possbily* equal but if u even watched that demo you would find out that there is no way M is better.

[eLiMiNaToR]

make it .zip plz

[PHISH]

yes M is a very good 20 ping soldier :p

[ExpliziT]

Yah, were do you get a conc mod plugin, I would like to practice my shotty and rl conc aim, please give the url =P

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[Milosenpotion]

Just watched his SD2 demo, the best demo of his I've seen, imo. He had more highlights in that demo than about any AVI I've seen. Pure ownage, and his quick reactions impressed me most.

[Direhit]

any idea what res, fov, and shotty model overkill uses? Also, did he ever post his cfgs? If so, where?

[Nomad]

Originally posted by PHISH
yes M is a very good 20 ping soldier :p
lol, good point... I wanna see some demos/avis of "leet" D soldiers owning it up with anything over 100 ping... even sd2 ramp ownage with 120-150 would be impressive ;o

[Skins]

Yeah but Aphex the LEET offy had to carry the defence :p

[Hellraiser]

go watch leegs demos if u want to see a good high ping soldier! although i dont know if he uploads them

[Vanquish]

Ok maybe one of you euros can explain something.
Are Aphex and AphexTwin the same person?
I see both names on quakenet every now and then, both in tfc IRC chans, but never in the same one.

[RiEmu]

Yer, Aphex -> kosm, Aphextwin -> =BC= ;E

lol, good point... I wanna see some demos/avis of "leet" D soldiers owning it up with anything over 100 ping...

not too hard...I played my whole time in Zt with 120-180 ping

once you're used to a certain ping, you can do almost just as well as you could with 30...now I'm used to 30 though, so if I go into like an 80 pinging server right after I won't hit shit for awhile

just whatever you're used to

off the top of my head, reptile has a demo of him shoop soldier where he gets 80+ frags or so against V [reen, rent, brick, kd played i believe] and he had 130+ ping

[At0mic_PC]

How loud are those footsteps? I usually don't notice them much unless I'm playing basement D. It was almost like he heard them from across the map sometimes. :)

He probably doesnt WH, but could he ax1 ???

[Dospac]

Originally posted by {GTO}Nomad
lol, good point... I wanna see some demos/avis of "leet" D soldiers owning it up with anything over 100 ping... even sd2 ramp ownage with 120-150 would be impressive ;o

For many west coast NA players(who by no coincidence make up a majority of USA's team) 100 ping is average for matches, at best. There are plenty of good players who play well with over 100 ping. Playing regularly with 100-150 ping makes you a better player imo. Its like training with weights on to become stronger and quicker.

[CrAzY-HoOliO]

Originally posted by Dospac
For many west coast NA players(who by no coincidence make up a majority of USA's team) 100 ping is average for matches, at best. There are plenty of good players who play well with over 100 ping. Playing regularly with 100-150 ping makes you a better player imo. Its like training with weights on to become stronger and quicker.

I get more like 150-200 on recon gamer but I'm close to the oregon coast :( I think your right about playing with high ping though makes you a overall better player especially when you get to play with low ping.

[Kaneda]

Originally posted by CSI_CrackBRain
I noticed 3 things.. maybe its just me, but 1) OverKill sure does love his grenades =\ 2) He kinda moves like hes on crack, very jerky (maybe its just the demo) and 3) I must say he does have some good Conc aim.

Wow - that isn't as jerky as this one cheater I've witnessed... (and back then I didn't even know he was cheat - just thought he was on crystal meth or something...)

Obviously footsteps... but im curious as to how he'd do without them. He still had amazing combo's and aim... great player IMHO

i've seen better top spiral solds vs a -much- better offense; i don't know what opposing clan that was, but that was really bad -- they just tried to run by him, didn't DM, ran in straight lines, and everything Yes very true. I didn't watch the demo and I don't know who they play vs..but he played vs the France offense which had very good people and he played really well. Had something like 115 frags. I still think he's very good, at least at top spiral..but again, if american soldiers could play w/ footsteps (Structure, Macros, Reptile, Blink, Influx, Freakle) they would be even better than OverKill is in my opinion.. being able to hear people walking around corners is just like having a wallhack, at least for people that never played with footsteps before.. as for his conced aim, i've seen people with really good conc aim before, but he's by far the best. you can tell since his mouse doesn't jerk and instantly shoot that he's not using an aimbot. I mean, I am not accusing shit, but the only thing that he could possibly be using is an anti-conc but I think that's unlikely. He's just very very good.

And Macros, the guy you're thinking of is Mick, from Lf- I think? I watched a well demo of him awhile back and he's just awesome. Doesn't miss any shots and knows how to position himself very well.

[Defrag]

His use of sound is very good, but in a straight DM where both players are just going for the jugular, he's equally impressive. I don't really buy the fact that footsteps are so important when it comes to performance (and drawing comparisons) between NA/European players - I've played numerous matches for 404 and you can usually still pick up on the main sound cues in most situations.

When there's a load of nailgrens around, people are priming and jumping etc, it's sometimes very easy to lose footsteps in the "sound spam" - this is where TFC is very different to a lot of games imo. I've got 5.1 + Audigy + EAX on, and in CS it makes such a huge difference it's almost like a different game. In TFC, unless it's pretty quiet (which it's not most of the time when you're playing outer D, lots of grens everywhere and such) you usually lose (or at least diminish) the ability to pinpoint someone by their footsteps, and this is with (relatively) good speakers / soundcard.

As an example, if there's a nailgren in the lift shaft on 2fort, I can't hear someone run towards me unless they get hurt by the nailgren, or I hear the thud as they drop down. I don't hear the footsteps at all, only the sound cues that are present regardless of footsteps being on/off. I don't doubt it is a handy advantage, but in frontline and spammy positions, sound loses some of its potency.

[Dospac]

You shouldn't be using speakers for TFC :p

[ICE_C00L]

im sure one of SCW have a demo of CaponE playing defence when he was in SCW with 100+ ping and 0wning!

[Skins]

Seeing as just about everyone at a decent level bunnyhops just about everywhere, you rarely hear footsteps as an outer D player anyway. More likely to hear jump sounds and gren primes and be able to track movement from those, and they are present regardless of mp_footsteps being 0 or 1.

To say a soldier (particularly front line) would be a lot better/worse with/without footsteps is pretty much bs tbh. Sure it helps, but it's hardly as big a deal as some of you make out.

[-Wolvy-pb]

for the kind of shotty aim that he brings to the table he doesnt even use it nearly as much as average NA soldiers.

[Xion]

Different styles; some sols are shotty whores, some aren't. I know I get far more kills with the rl than shotty.

As for comparison in pings, saying -M- is a good 20 ping sol, don't forget he is up against a 20 ping offy....

[Skins]

Much easier to hit than a laggy offy :p

[Xion]

Nah ;p

Offy are only a pain to hit when they are framing all over the place, high ping players that move without stuttering are piss easy to hit ;)

[Kaneda]

Originally posted by Dospac
You shouldn't be using speakers for TFC :p

Get some nice big headphones, increase the sound of footsteps and your good to go.

I find using the shotgun when they back up a bit is a lot better, because you don't waste as many rockets. I'm basically constantly switching, but for instance, as a well front D soldier, the only time anyone is going to get past you is basically when you run out of rockets--that's why I use my shotgun.

For those kids that are "shotty whores," I can't speak for them.

[kman]

Overkill is obviously skilled no arguements.

However I wish my teammates never stole my grenade bags either :)

[wid]

I used to carry the LEET offence