Ogl ??

[bravE]

There's been alot of talk about bringing it back. From OGL coming back or even TFL changing its league style to a challenge system like OGL had it. I don't know if TFL admins would be up for that.. I highly doubt that. I know alot of people don't think OGL would work if it came back, but how do you know just bcuz you dont like it doesnt mean it won't work? Everyone has an opinion on it and this is the thread for you to voice your opinion on it. I just wanna know would you play in it? Do you think your clan would play in it? Should it be a certain night? League picks maps or clans pick maps?

I dunoo I just miss the whole 9v9 days when your clan could challenge the #3 clan from #7 and you could just move up the ladder slowly. STA and TFL are exactly the same we need something different..we need a league with the old challenge ladder would bring some excitement back imo.

[Synergy]

the challenge ladder system is alright, but to bring back ogl would be retarted. I doubt u will find many that liked OGL, atleast those that were playing in that era of the game

[EarlTurner]

I dont think OGL will ever fly again.

What would be nice for a change is if TFL would bring back the season and playoff style play. Or even a tournament in TFL maybe every 3 or 4 months. I always liked playing the tournaments.

[Cent]

If OGL were to come back or a league started the "challenge" and the matches are whenever (mostly on weekends). I would prolly make a clan to join it. OGL was alot of fun :(

[KaY-PeE]

i loved ogl except match times where at some weird ass times.. and most of the time you'd move up the ladder cuz the other team would forfeit or something

but when matches DID happen. they where fun

[Wheaties[TCK]]

Best part of OGL for me was not playing the same map for 2 rounds only to do it again the following week.

[AlphaBot_ILC]

The old school OGL challenging system was great. OGL was actually really fun back in the day. The only drawback was the boob pub clans that always forfeited and picked obsurd starting times for matches so you'd have to deal with that until you got to the real clans that knew how to play. If the time conflicts is resolved and people actually join then its worth a shot. It would definately be a worthwhile change of pace imo.

[sExAh]

IM al abotu OGL bring it back , was the best ever.

[$hadowgod]

OGL is gone?

[Kaptain Kracker]

only problem with bringing back ogl would be scheduling matches to a day that would work best with both clans.. thats why ogl died.. teams couldnt commit to random playing days.

[bravE]

So make OGL Sunday nights.. Challenge clans for their spot on Sunday nights..why wouldn't clans sign up for it ? Sounds like fun to me.

[kno[x]]

ADL and UGC 7v7=Sunday nights

I doubt many would do that.

[bravE]

Everyone doubts but noone knows until you try and find out.

[Cent]

make it a wierd time, like saterday 4:00 ( gives you a chance to wake up, gives you a chance to go out at night). Or like Sunday 5:00 (although that would make sunday packed).

[CoZoFDeatH]

i like'd the seaon playoff style the most, made it lots more competitive :)

[AGT-Shady]

This topic has been beaten to death.

If you're part of a league management team that wants to get the ball rolling, go for it and gl to you. If you want tfl to change their format, pm an admin or get your team capt to post in the captain's forum.

OGL isn't coming back, not in this nor either of the last 3 threads on the subject. It's over, let it go...........

[Qemikal]

Sorry, I didnt get a chance to exhaust MY point of view. and since i dont have captains access to the league forums for vote or start votes.... this is MY BIZZNESS!! ("Business" for you faggots that want to spell check this shit to find something to bitch about)

OGL would thrive on this: a certain day, a certain time - BUT to keep it "OGL" style, each team would pick their map each week. Keep things random like everyone keeps screaming about.

NOW - before you go hanging up my thread here... i'm sure that OGL wouldnt come back... but if TFL/STA were to adopt that kind of change in format it sure would be an awesome change in the community, and keep teams on their toes, and actually get people to look at maps and practice things a bit more. Its what kept the closeness in clans before i think. practices on looking at maps that were yet to have their secrets revealed.


I think having TFL do it would be better imo.
the first map i would vote for is enclave :D

[Clank]

love ya qem.

[Qemikal]

DAMNIT MJ
PM me or get on ICQ or SOMETHING FFS

[PSYCOSACK]

this would be interesting. I never played in OGL (or at least not enough to remember the process) but I wouldent mind trying this style of play.

[WingNut]

Thread re-opened and merged with the other.
For any of the leagues to support a "ladder" format, it would require some heavy modifications to the code of the existing site.

Granted it would be easiest for OGL to recreate the TFC ladder, (I could have it recreated in less than a minute) but then we'd run into the same problem that killed off the ladder in the first place there, and that was the problem of not having a set date for the matches. (of course challenges would be a PITA for teams if the match dates were the same. I could see everyone trying to make a challenge at the same time)

I'm listening...

-WingNut-

[bravE]

We have wing's attention. :o I'd say OGL would work on whatever night the admins see best. Trust me people will stop what they're doing like they do for every other league night and come play they're match someone just has gotta have the balls to try a new league.

[Noremorse]

hah shady got owned. this does sound alot of fun though, hopefully it happens.

[bravE]

Wow.. I just saw the 5 threads all about OGL. With all this demand for a challenge league why doesn't someone do sumthin about it ?

[Drinks With Evil]

bringing ogl back is a horrible idea, it has succumbed to a structure which designates definitive dates and times that seems to be working well why revive it

[DestroyerX]

Only good part of the OGL was their website... it did a very good job at displaying data as well as organization. The league itself needed more support.

[VERSE]

and bring back the mulch_dm ladder. that would bring me back to the days... hell i'd even rejoin.

[Noremorse]

people with nothing positive to say about this need to keep it to themselves. i'm really tired of hearing so much negative feed back when this hasn't even been given a second chance. just stfu and let those who want to work at it give it a shot.

[(!)-DrLove]

ogl was fun when there were 1000+ active clans, but with 50 or less active, it would just wouldnt have the same appeal

[Thoth]

Wow.. I just saw the 5 threads all about OGL. With all this demand for a challenge league why doesn't someone do sumthin about it ?


Because those threads were 3 years old, and you bumped them all up from the depths of the forums, that's why you saw 5 threads.

The new "similar threads" feature at the bottom of the page is kind of useless.

[GhOsT]

OGL was great for new clans starting out. I doubt a system like OGL had would work for TFC now, but who knows for FF when that is released.

[Bp-2X]

make it a wierd time, like saterday 4:00 ( gives you a chance to wake up, gives you a chance to go out at night). Or like Sunday 5:00 (although that would make sunday packed).
way to say the wrost time ever to play tfc -.-'

[megatron]

If OGL failed during the peak of TFC, what would make you think it would work now?

[AGT-Shady]

^exactly.

Sorry to the baby boomers that missed it, it's over.

Wing could bring the ladder back tonight but youd need 20 clans not 20 people to make it work, gl with that...............

[bravE]

Who says 20 clans won't join ? Are you speaking for every other clan ? Did they tell you to speak for them ? It's not all babyboomers that want this back it's people that played in a challenge ladder( way different then sta/tfl format ) and they want a little change of pace to bring some excitement back to this game.

[hawk]

TFL 5v5, OGL, the NA tournament? Wheee.

[Wheaties[TCK]]

Can you handle the heat Hawk?!?!?

[Thoth]

Who says 20 clans won't join ? Are you speaking for every other clan ? Did they tell you to speak for them ? It's not all babyboomers that want this back it's people that played in a challenge ladder( way different then sta/tfl format ) and they want a little change of pace to bring some excitement back to this game.


I'll say it now then. 20 clans won't join OGL. With all the leagues going today, lots of people play up to 4 times a week. If you make it where the challenger picks the day, you're going to have clans picking a league day to get a forfeit win, or just because its the only day they can play, while the other team won't be able to field enough. If you make it on Saturday at any time of the day, or Friday, it will fail miserably. Even if they do join, they'll drop out within the first month or two. The current schedule of leagues just doesn't allow it.

OGL worked before because there was only STA and TFL for most clans, and IGL for some. Now there is STA 5v5, TFL 5v5 (probably coming back), UGC, ADL, and even 2v2 leagues if they still exist. People just don't want to play that much TFC in a week.

[Noremorse]

and people say tfc is dead lol.

[bravE]

9v9 is a hella of alot more exciting then 5v5. I think alot of people would rather play a 9v9 match with their clan when they're challenging for the #2 spot instead of some 5v5 league that doesnt really mean shit. Yeah it's fun but 9v9 > 5v5. I mean what would you rather play in a 9v9 match for the #1 spot with ur clan or a 5v5 match with ur team?

[Thoth]

9v9 is a hella of alot more exciting then 5v5. I think alot of people would rather play a 9v9 match with their clan when they're challenging for the #2 spot instead of some 5v5 league that doesnt really mean shit. Yeah it's fun but 9v9 > 5v5. I mean what would you rather play in a 9v9 match for the #1 spot with ur clan or a 5v5 match with ur team?


A lot of people feel the opposite of what you do. 5v5 is more fun to some because its more laid back, and they can fuck around a little more. Who wants to play serious 4 nights a week?

Others like it because there isn't as many people playing.

[|HOP|Dre^BtU`pHd]

Make it a certain day and certain night, then it has a chance. Although people have already tried to start like 5 different leagues in the past 2 years and none of them worked. I think it would be cool though to be able to get a triple crown again and have another kse tracked league. I would put HOP in it for sure.

[Telos]

variety is good and tfc is fine the way it is now. Creating a new league would actually decrease competition and spread the teams thin over the various leagues.

On the other hand, competition is good. So if IGL/OGL really wanted to be successful, they would have to take on either ADL/UGC7v7, STA 9v9, or TFL 9v9. I doubt taking on the 5v5's would work very well.

[Noremorse]

IGL needs to fire up it's engines and take on TFL 9v9. it's the league that makes tfc look bad and should be destroyed. to hell with TFL.

[Telos]

how so? TFL has the best gameplay rules of any league ever.

[kno[x]]

Why? Because it is an official pub match?

[AGT-Shady]

Who says 20 clans won't join ? Are you speaking for every other clan ? Did they tell you to speak for them ? It's not all babyboomers that want this back it's people that played in a challenge ladder( way different then sta/tfl format ) and they want a little change of pace to bring some excitement back to this game.

Well, I just said it, Thoth said it after me. You get all sarcastic about who I'm speaking for, but those people you claim to be speaking for can't even agree to what exactly they want in the 5 threads that have re-hashed this crap over the past year(s).

You're not gonna get 20 clans to keep the thing going and you can scream into the keyboard all you like, it ain't gonna happen and will change nothing. You can blame me, or Thoth or anyone else is who is simply telling you the way it is if it'd make you feel better. Accept and move on, welcome to life.

P.S. Kevin from Rabid has all sorts of experience in starting up new leagues, maybe you could collaborate with him to get this thing off the ground. lol :p

[bravE]

Bring a challenge ladder league back I guarantee you it will succeed.

[eminent]

I'll say it now then. 20 clans won't join OGL. With all the leagues going today, lots of people play up to 4 times a week. If you make it where the challenger picks the day, you're going to have clans picking a league day to get a forfeit win, or just because its the only day they can play, while the other team won't be able to field enough. If you make it on Saturday at any time of the day, or Friday, it will fail miserably. Even if they do join, they'll drop out within the first month or two. The current schedule of leagues just doesn't allow it.

OGL worked before because there was only STA and TFL for most clans, and IGL for some. Now there is STA 5v5, TFL 5v5 (probably coming back), UGC, ADL, and even 2v2 leagues if they still exist. People just don't want to play that much TFC in a week.


we have a winner. not to sound like a jerk, but we dont need more tfc kids.

[Thoth]

Bring a challenge ladder league back I guarantee you it will succeed.


I guarantee it won't, but since you seem to believe so much, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and start it yourself? Otherwise the only thing you're doing is sitting around complaining to everyone else to take action just so you can play in this challenge league.

[Synergy]

Last i knew someone was makeing a league with a challenge ladder setup, wether or not they will finish it and start it up i dunno. I just know it was in the works

[HypE]

I loved OGL.

[MR.SLEDJ]

I thought the soldier ladder in OGL was lots of fun.

[bravE]

Quote:By Thoth
I guarantee it won't, but since you seem to believe so much, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and start it yourself? Otherwise the only thing you're doing is sitting around complaining to everyone else to take action just so you can play in this challenge league.

^^^^^^^^^^


I would be more then glad to help anyone as much as I can 24 hrs a day/7 days a week into a new challenge league if I had to. I'd love to be an admin.. I have no experience in it so couldn't just start the league by myself or I would.

[Drinks With Evil]

What we are dealing with here is a failure to communicate. The premise of OGL was clans pick the dates, whoopty do, someone proposed having a set day and time? That negates the point of OGL. Also as far as negative comments, its called sharing an opinion. OGL died for a reason, it would be in your best interest and time to examine why it died, and why would you ever in gods name bring it back. I agree with Thoth and Shady just the league stay dead.

[Wonka]

']Best part of OGL for me was not playing the same map for 2 rounds only to do it again the following week.

The best part of OGL was deleting clans off the ladder. YES SCORE IN YOUR FACE 2 POINTS.

[WingNut]

The best part of OGL was deleting clans off the ladder. YES SCORE IN YOUR FACE 2 POINTS.

lol... I wonder how many people know what you are referring to? :p

[shanked]

We need a ladder with no rules. Well of course no hacks.

-No class limits
-No OvO rules
-No Max O / D

[klob-]

people with nothing positive to say about this need to keep it to themselves. i'm really tired of hearing so much negative feed back when this hasn't even been given a second chance. just stfu and let those who want to work at it give it a shot.
defeats the purpose of discussing something if your only going to look at one side of the arguement imo

also worth noticing how every league is slowly losing teams/divisions too. i just dont see much point in starting a new/bringing back an old league if we're having trouble keeping the currently existing leagues full.

[bravE]

Then why not change tfl into a challenge ladder or bring the playoffs back. Something a lil different then the normal monday sta match and the normal thursday tfl match. I think something like this could revive a league and make it exciting again not tedious.

[Qemikal]

We need a ladder with no rules. Well of course no hacks.

-No class limits
-No OvO rules
-No Max O / D


There were thoughts of a chaos league / ladder sort of things years ago. only rule being 'no cheats' ... and play the game it was meant to be played. off the wall, interesting and setup to YOUR own style. no HW limit, no NG limit, no chasing rules, and no "yard D" rules.

Classic TFC was great. any D position was acceptable. The crybabies ruined it all. I think that at least ONE league should have stayed straight, classic tfc like before.

as for OGL recreation. I say like before.. pick a day, let the teams pick their maps for the match. doesnt make a difference if its challenge based or schedule based. I think schedule would make it better personally. Keeps things obigatory.

I miss the OLD ogl website. ... so simple.
BUT, the new one has its perks.

[bravE]

If anyone is going to actually start a challenge league and need help lemme know by posting or talk to me in irc.

[Racer]

Just so you guys know MLO is still alive. Its now a ladder format, similar to OGL but with some changes I didnt like when I started playing in OGL in 2001.

In MLO its just 1 map, 3 maps was too much to practice for IMO. Fun if that was your only league.

We are almost done our new site. If all goes as planned we will have three ladders with cash from MLO and prizes from corporate spnsors for CoD2, BF2 and CSS. For fun ladder for HL mod Hostile Intent. If there is interest I can add a TFC ladder.

What makes this different besides the prizes and the single map is it will be a 8 week challenge period. At the end of the 8 weeks the clans will be seeded for the Tournament using those ranks. Depending on sponsors i can possibly throw in some prizes for TFC but wont promise at this time.

It will be free to enter.
Our site (the old one) is at http://www.theMLO.com
The new one wont be shown till we get sponsors finalized.