no TFC but will be back for FF?

[(!)-DrLove]

i hear alot of old school players and clans saying how their definitley coming back when FF or TFC:source comes out, my question is this..


if their definitley coming back, why are you not playing TFC right now..FF will essentially be the same game with updated graphics and a few new concepts im sure..but its basically the same..

i realize there isnt any new talent coming into TFC, but the big problem seems that all the talent TFC has now is localized in 4 or 5 clans, with everyone else being bottom feeders. It'd be nice to see a few old school clans come back and mix things up a bit..

BTW, i said the same thing when i quit tfc over a yr ago, id be back for FF..then one day i logged on and realized why am i not playing a game i like waiting for an updated version, sure it will pry be more fun but TFC is still enjoyable even if the faces and competition is a bit repetitive


thoughts?

[caedere]

For me, three reasons:

1. Simply burned out. I'd been playing for like almost 5 years straight.

2. A new, more enjoyable game for me (Guild Wars) came out, that also requires teamwork, strategy, etc. so that was the final nail in the coffin.

3. Too many hackers/cheaters. These days a five year old can get some sort of cheat and not get caught for a long time, if ever.

[k c boo-ya]

if their definitley coming back, why are you not playing TFC right now..


All the people I played with left this game.

[edit]not to mention i can't use irc at college

[SoulEdge]

silence drlove, you bottom feeder

[Vr_]

1) no more leagues
2) no more honest leagues
3) no more honest players
4) tons of hackers, cheaters
5) alias', and attitudes
6) 99% OF PUBS HAVE BOTS!!!
7) 1% of the pubs that dont have bots play the most random maps.
[i dont mean random like 2fort, well, rock, total war <----, random like unearthed, yeger]
8) when pickups became a "gather" channel on IRC you know its time to move on to a more recent game
9) i can go on and on
10) and on
11) and on
12) and....
537) makers of FF post screen shots every week to justify how slow the progress is going
538) league admins = power hungry yummie yum.
539) when TFC's primere league now doesnt support TFC anymore {IGL}
[from one old schooler to another: karsiss please bring tfc back!]

[MoonGuardian]

Its hard, I've been playing for 5 years now too. But I dont get burned out because I do things differently then some.

1. I dont pub, I dont gather, I spend that time, studying, hanging out with friends, and with my girl friend.
2. My clan has two practice nights during the week, and atleast I am playing with people I would like to be playing with, and there are no issues.
3. Matches, twice a week, I basically dropped my other leagues (5v5, ADL...) because of school.

I dont care that Im not improving.... Why do I care to try to make it to 1a playing style? I have a nice home in 3a (w00t) with my Knights. I think (may be going out on a limb), that many of the upper level players as they say, burn out. Its because you guys play this game way too much, and lets be honest. If someone cant stay up to that caliber to play with their upper level clan, their only chance is to hack. Duh.

With the pubs full of bots... I guess I wouldn't really know, if I was going to pub, its going to be on a ADL styled map. Hard to be lame there.

Look at our age distribution.... Most of us started in middle school/highschool.... We are either in College now, or just getting out and having to take that step into the world. When my time comes (two years to go, then grad school), I probably will be dropping a lot of my computer habits.


With the localized clan talent, yea. But lets face it, those who arnt *all stars* of 1a, go to 2a/3a just so they can feel good about themselves... (some), who doesnt want to jump circles, and out perform an entire team?


God, this post got long, sorry to any who actually read my entire rant...

[bowser]

The community certainly isn't the same. i really only find matches enjoyable, i miss the active people who 4v4'd together all the time. I miss 4v4'ing with the TDA and -V- guys.

FF Will bring some spice to the game again, and hopefully a new attitude to the community. The attitude has steadily declined in TFC :/

[Killian]

I don't mean to be the rain cloud here, but I wouldn't count on FF bringing THAT much life back to the tfc community.

[hypno]

DrL, I did the same.. retired and came back and now i'm sort of semi-retired again. I retired the first time because .. quite honestly this community just turned to shit as well as alot of the rules in leagues. I think it's just dumb to stranglehold play with so many restrictive rules, but that's just me I guess. There was also that time thing, too.

I retired again because I got use to playing clans like mcccxxxvvvii and nLv that just didn't give a shit, we would exchange mm1 and flame, talk shit, etc. But it was all in good fun then I had to start playing tightassed clans that WOULD dispute to get a cheap win over some mm1. That and after playing cz2 every other map was really boring to me.

There's also that WoW thing.

Eitherway, I still love this damn game. Hell, I think i'm still the only one on 56k still.

[Simplicit-]

Yea GL on waiting for FF lol...

[Mr. Scissors]

lol bottom feeders?

Your optimism is astounding.

How can you people still build your egos with this game?

[Verty]

I only still play TFC by reflex.... I mean, what else am I going to do on Monday and Tuesday nights if I stop playing?

[beast]

people alone can't bring the fun back into the game for me. one of my old clans started back about 2months ago and yet i still don't show up. to me, comraderie doesn't make the game fun anymore. i still join irc, but i'll be damned if the actual game is fun.

[hawk]

I think there's two real reasons. First, the game gets old. You do anything enough, it's going to get old. For a lot of people, hopefully FF will mix it up enough to come back. The other reason is that a lot of people have simply outgrown TFC. For me, there's no way I can make sure I'm home at certain times on Monday and Thursday. I have school, I have work, I have friends. That combined with the fact that the game is the same old thing means that I don't play anymore. I don't know whether or not FF will bring me back, but I'll give it a chance.

[Headshot]

im really sick of people bitching about FF not being out yet

these people aren't being paid to do anything, it is a gift, yet you bitch about it

why dont you go through millions of lines of code yourself

[Magus]

you think FF will essentially be the same game as TFC?

[-Dirby-]

lol bottom feeders?

Your optimism is astounding.

How can you people still build your egos with this game?

seconded. that's a pretty fucked up term to use.

[hypno]

Don't take DrL so seriously. The way I interpeted is that there's a insanely huge skill gap in the upper echelon of TFC compared to the rest of the divisions, atleast much more than there use to be and I pretty much think he's right.

[Frag]

i think the reasons mentioned already here justify people leaving tfc.

but theres another reason i'd like to add: real life just catches up to you eventually.

i mean, sure, theres a lot of people that are in their 20's that still play, but 3-4 years ago, they were teenagers, and there isn't too much to do when youre a teenager. High School, Job, and then fun+games.

and, yea, people get really, really cocky in this game sometimes. its nearly unbearable when a fight breaks out over who has the biggest tfc-dick.

[rabidkevin]

Old shit gets boring
New stuff is fun


there's no mystery to it

[Geewhzz]

Vr, clean your inbox up fool!

[Sutterkane]

I dont see how you guys can say the mod isn't fun anymore, and that it won't pick up any new players when FF comes out. CS at it's point in age is still extremely popular. CS:source came out and the mod is gaining yet more players.

[Thought]

Don't take DrL so seriously. The way I interpeted is that there's a insanely huge skill gap in the upper echelon of TFC compared to the rest of the divisions, atleast much more than there use to be and I pretty much think he's right.

Yep and then there's you who somehow manages to still be yet THAT much worse than the bottom feeders. Oh right trav you dont play you just pretend to defend clans you havent played a single match with. Die

[-Dirby-]

I dont see how you guys can say the mod isn't fun anymore, and that it won't pick up any new players when FF comes out. CS at it's point in age is still extremely popular. CS:source came out and the mod is gaining yet more players.

I still love you, but cs:s is downloaded through Steam. FF is going to be a third-party mod released by people who know and love tfc. Sure there are ways to get it popular among the gaming community. But without any support from Valve it is going to be a hard thing to do.

[Vr_]

Vr, clean your inbox up fool!

sorry. forgot the limit was 25 :p
its empty now

[SteelPython]

All the people I played with left this game.

[edit]not to mention i can't use irc at college


There is a way around it

[hypno]

Yep and then there's you who somehow manages to still be yet THAT much worse than the bottom feeders. Oh right trav you dont play you just pretend to defend clans you havent played a single match with. Die
Look, I have a fan. Cranky because you forgot to take some ex-lax this morning?

[Anarki]

*pokes head out*

[ffej-OD]

Old shit gets boring
New stuff is fun


there's no mystery to it


WHAT?

[SoulEdge]

#freecre

[CR0C0DILE]

The graphics are just too ugly to bear.
e-gos.
pussy gameplay rules.

[Kool_Guy_RyanN]

I would like to play FF someday in the near future.. But you will never see KGR again in a clan match or runing his own clan.

[Gogeta]

WHAT?

he said, "mmm, maybe i should try concing, cause its new to me and obviously means it will be fun..."

[AGT-King]

I plan *trying* to come back for FF, but for same reason I don't play right now, I have work and lots of other crap to worry about. Matches use to be fun for me, but lately, they just haven't been at all. I find myself always wanting to run away from my computer after r1.

Things that will make me want to come back for FF even more...

-New leagues (or OGL comes back)
-Decent pubbing scene
-Less rules

[Delonge]

FF will bring in some new people... but im quite sure we are also gonna lose people aswell because not everyone has a computer capable of running something like that smoothly. and i doubt that the first thing people are gonna do is run out and pick up a new computer to play the thriving fortress forever game thats probably not gonnabe out untill 2008

[pos]

the main reason why i don't play anymore because everyone has an attitude when they play. You finally find a server without bots then you have to worry about some elite homo with a bind, "OMGZ get skillz!! LoLz!". Just gets annoying after a while.

[DarthGreg]

<- Back for FF.

[Anarki]

get back to WoW you homo I'm getting tired of the game now :(

[DarthGreg]

get back to WoW you homo I'm getting tired of the game now :(
Are you kidding? I pride myself in breaking away from that game, as long as it took.

You still playing that lock?

[ffej-OD]

#freecre


^_^_^_^_^_^

[Sid6.7]

i take "im coming back for ff" to mean "im gonig to try ff and see if i like it, if not im done with tf forever"

[ass*assassin]

i take "im coming back for ff" to mean "im gonig to try ff and see if i like it, if not im done with tf forever"

might as well tell your girlfriend, "Honest, i will pull out before i come"..

i mean, make some new excuses fellas.. if you wanna play, then play.. if not, nice having you in the game, eh?

[Nomad]

I still love you, but cs:s is downloaded through Steam. FF is going to be a third-party mod released by people who know and love tfc. Sure there are ways to get it popular among the gaming community. But without any support from Valve it is going to be a hard thing to do.
I dunno, mods like Natural Selection and Dystopia have been pretty successful... Vapour (http://www.vapour-online.com/) seems to be the next best thing to Steam for thirdparty mods.

On Topic: I haven't found a game that is more fun than TFC. The closest thing was WoW, which kept me entertained for almost three months before I decided it wasn't worth my time/money.

Someone mentioned pubbing not being fun because of the bots - you do know you can find the servers without bots, right?

Maybe it's because I don't play top-tier tfc, but I was under the impression that there aren't actually that many hackers playing league tfc matches :x

The comments about the changes in the community and "attitudes" don't make much sense to me... anyone have some specific examples that could illustrate why changes would make you stop playing tfc?

I can sympathize with one of the few legitimate reasons being brought up; loss of free time/changing priorities in rl. I had to change my tfc habits a bit when school started because I'm taking more units this semester, but if I manage my time properly there's still more than enough room for tfc.

People quitting tfc makes me sad :(
(Sid don't leave, I'll miss you!)

[Implement of War]

i quit to play COD 2, then went to MMO's, but TFC is still my favorite game of all time. im thinking about coming back and playing some again, i miss the competition of FPS's; been pubbing the last week or so and have had a good time.

[GhOsT]

I don't mean to be the rain cloud here, but I wouldn't count on FF bringing THAT much life back to the tfc community.
That's great cause FF will have it's own community. I know I am hoping enough new blood gets into the game to make things a little more interesting.

[Jimyd]

No rules TFC league needs to be made again. :P

Except for severe racism in names and mm1 the whole match (only rules really needed).

Basically TFL w/o the shitty admins (lol).

[Jimyd]

That's great cause FF will have it's own community. I know I am hoping enough new blood gets into the game to make things a little more interesting.

Except alot of this new talent think bhop is a hack and have 99999 kagabizillion rules on their pubs. :(

[GhOsT]

Again you are refering to people currently playing TFC. FF will have guides on how to do many of the skills used in TFC/other TF mods which are usually the targets of these rules due to the admin not understanding how it works.

Believe it or not, there was a time when TFC was new and leagues existed quite fine back then.

[Unfor]

People simply have no concept of how and why to play the game and that is best illustrated by the fact that leagueplay is inundated with cheaters and/or suspicious characters while pubs are nonexistent. Aside from that, there are your 4v4s in which (most of the time), the competition is one-sided as one group consistently plays with each other and the other is just a pickup group of people that happen to be around. For me, that was never fun being on either side. People are too concerned with what clan they're in or what guild they're in than actually playing. They don't understand what it means to be genuinely competitive without crossing the line- which is why no rivalries still exist and KSE comments mostly consist of one clan just poorly flaming another clan when something occurs. TFC's average age (or maturity) decreased significantly- and many of the characters still left are simply fags who are not worth playing with or against.

[mafiaman]

:begin rant: tfc is dieing quickly , theres too many egotistical faggots around this game, theres not much of a gap between the silver and gold players , its the faggots in gold that think they are above all, not giving the so called "no names" a chance, a bunch of you act like little fucking kids about winning and losing and you cry and whine and moan, this community has gone to shit , i would rather have a bunch of hackers playing in clans then have had perfect player produced , got half the community banned, now we got half the people playing and everyone is to busy with the "you hack" bullshit to play themselves. good job dectectives. sure, half of tfc hates me, shrug, this is the internet see if i care, :end rant:

[tailz]

I think the core of tfc gamers were young when the game was out and popular, and as the game aged, so did the community. Now the core community are no longer teenagers and have a job/family etc to support and simply cant spend the time playing the game. And since the game is outdated we have very few newcomers to balance this loss.

[Wavelength]

why is it accepted that out adopted 'league style' of playing tfc is the right way to play?
we say people don't have a concept on how to play this game, but I think in a way that all of our stupid rules that created 'match style' tfc are the results of not having a correct interpretation on what tfc really is, or at least, could have been.

[theCops]

First, I think a lot of people who played back when the game was popular got sick of all the ridiculous rules and restrictions we have now.

I don't really think people cheating did anything to dwindle this community, as cs always had more cheaters than tfc did, and the game is still growing with more newbies and more cheaters. In a way, they helped the clamp down on all the rules, but didn't directly put them in place. Thank christ for TFL and their admins.

I never really enjoyed fps games before i bought half-life. the genre owes most of it's popularity to half-life, doom, quake, and wolfenstein. nowadays, steam has the biggest player network of all fps-based games.

People will just say they'll be back because they either:

1. like different kinds of games better (mmorpg's for one), but got into a clan and liked the team aspect.

2. friends or clans they were in moved on, and with no replenishment of players, they got bored of the same old game.

Let's face it, the game was better when you were a newbie and were still learning things about it. Being a newbie in other games provides the same feeling.

Now though, the game is very mechanical and every clan has a strat for every single map. we also play the same clans every week (for the most part). FF will be (hopefully) a new twist on an old idea and worth checking out.

[DeMoN`idle]

I think the core of tfc gamers were young when the game was out and popular, and as the game aged, so did the community. Now the core community are no longer teenagers and have a job/family etc to support and simply cant spend the time playing the game. And since the game is outdated we have very few newcomers to balance this loss.

couldn't have been answered better. That is exactly what happened. suck it up people..move on.

[Jimyd]

Sadly, people worry about breaking max d and OvO in a match and tryingto get a free dispute win than just playing.


But i do it anyways, and havent been suspended yet. :D :rolleyes: LOL Z!

[di.oof]

One big nail in the coffin was the simple fact that TFC does not come free for new subscribers to Steam and requires a purchase. Who would want to cough-up $10 for some "old, back-catalog" game? When HL1 came out (later issues), TFC was free and came included - mere math makes it popular: take 5% of 10 million buyers of HL1 who happened to check out "multiplayer games" and you get 500,000 very lucky people to discover TFC. You don't have that with Steam anymore. Now you gotta force that 5% to spend $10. Ain't gonna happen. [Edit: I'm talking about all the new faces after Steam came out that didn't own HL1.]

Then there is the very rare fellow who actually does plunk $10 and checks it out, only to be confused or angered by overzealous NeoTF admins, or destroyed and ridiculed by some elitist kid who spent his entire childhood "raping faces in TFC".

Cheers.

[sd-]

The only thing left I enjoy is practicing with my team (believe it or not practices can be fun and not just a chore) and matches.

[AGT-Shady]

Sadly, people worry about breaking max d and OvO in a match and tryingto get a free dispute win than just playing.


But i do it anyways, and havent been suspended yet. :D :rolleyes: LOL Z!

But you've been banned at least 5 times from odin's ;)

[eminent]

One big nail in the coffin was the simple fact that TFC does not come free for new subscribers to Steam and requires a purchase. Who would want to cough-up $10 for some "old, back-catalog" game? When HL1 came out (later issues), TFC was free and came included - mere math makes it popular: take 5% of 10 million buyers of HL1 who happened to check out "multiplayer games" and you get 500,000 very lucky people to discover TFC. You don't have that with Steam anymore. Now you gotta force that 5% to spend $10. Ain't gonna happen. [Edit: I'm talking about all the new faces after Steam came out that didn't own HL1.]

Then there is the very rare fellow who actually does plunk $10 and checks it out, only to be confused or angered by overzealous NeoTF admins, or destroyed and ridiculed by some elitist kid who spent his entire childhood "raping faces in TFC".

Cheers.

im glad there are some intelligent people here

[brett]

FWIW, I'll be back when FF is out.

[Johnny Mullet]

TFC is still very popular, but it will get slower with the weather getting nicer for a lot of us and newer games are always coming out.

ETF has never been as popular as TFC, but this time of year I always notice a smaller amout of online players.

As far as FF goes, It is something a lot of us are looking forward too!

[SleepyAlan]

Well i must say im still playing tfc and still enjoy it ive probaly been playing for about umm idk 5 years or so.. Theres alot of differnt clans now in the upper levels and closer matches which i think is enjoyable.As far as the hackers go i could care less hackers are hackers they will get caught eventually and if not its just like the old days there were still alot then and took a while to catch them. OKay so the graphics arent the best but the gameplay is the same most of the time people retire your right its not the same game not all the trash talk is in it anymore and not as many leagues we dropped 1 or 2 igl and pfl and pfl has been gone for a long time. Yes we have a gather channel for pickups so does cs , cs:s and they all use it for pickups and thats how it works. Neither game has alot of pubs granted i play cs and cs:s right now but people quit tfc cause there favorite clan died mostly or they dont wanna try a new team make a new team as i see it tfcers can be fussy for the most part and when they lose they just quit
If someone really wants to see a change why not bring something back like igl or pfl if its the leagues if its not enough clans bring back a clan yourself. If its the rules ask one of the leagues to vote on them if its a hacker you say then record a demo of them or ask an admin to look at it as far as the graphics go cant change that but the fun is still in the game plus we can fill up pubs ask a couple of people to go to one like gow or something like that.. DEepends on how u look it

[GhOsT]

One big nail in the coffin was the simple fact that TFC does not come free for new subscribers to Steam and requires a purchase. Who would want to cough-up $10 for some "old, back-catalog" game? When HL1 came out (later issues), TFC was free and came included - mere math makes it popular: take 5% of 10 million buyers of HL1 who happened to check out "multiplayer games" and you get 500,000 very lucky people to discover TFC. You don't have that with Steam anymore. Now you gotta force that 5% to spend $10. Ain't gonna happen. [Edit: I'm talking about all the new faces after Steam came out that didn't own HL1.]

Then there is the very rare fellow who actually does plunk $10 and checks it out, only to be confused or angered by overzealous NeoTF admins, or destroyed and ridiculed by some elitist kid who spent his entire childhood "raping faces in TFC".

Cheers.
Psst, TFC is still free if you own HL. Steam just made it so you could just buy TFC by itself.

[di.oof]

Psst, TFC is still free if you own HL. Steam just made it so you could just buy TFC by itself.
Thank you for thoroughly reading my post.

[ODAY]

i enjoy the game but hate the people...

and hate me back .. please!...

pubs arent fun cause there are bots, no nomad there are no NA servers that have no bots that are fun to play on other then a few 2fort bhop servers

yes people grow up and the lifers of tfc arent anymore .. they have jobs, friends and something other people call LIVES... which i have no idea about but i hear its a good thing

another thing someone briefly touched on this earlyier the learning curve in tfc is HUUUGEEEEE!!

much harder then any game ive ever played

so newb accidentally wonders into odins playing 2fort or some valve map and gets his faced raped... then thinks jesus tfc is full of hackers... fuck this game

^^^ seen it happen :"/


i think we should make up a huge ass petition to valve and make TFC free in its dieing days... everyone will try something if its free just human nature no a days





i doubt this is allowed here and if i get banned ill appeal it ... someone make a workable keygen for HL1 and distribute it? :D

[GhOsT]

Thank you for thoroughly reading my post.
Perhaps I did not articulate my reply as best as I could have.

Steam just allowed you to get the parts seperate. There is a pack for $15 that includes basically all the stuff you got with HL1. http://storefront.steampowered.com/v2/index.php?area=package&SubId=40&

Also, prior to HL2 I doubt there were very many people at all that got steam without already having HL. HL2 was the first real use of Steam as a distribution platform that probably brought in people that didn't already own HL. However, at that point I doubt they had much interest in anything that HL had to offer.

Quite frankly I think the nail in TFC's coffin was the success of CS. It caused Valve to turn away from TFC and focus more on CS. Course, who knows if we would be playing HL2 now on the Source engine if it weren't for the popularity of CS...

[Racer]

I never planned to leave TFC. But HI caught me by suprise. Out of boredom I bought BF2 and was blown away at how addicting stats and the action is.
I remember this one ToD mod map had a Helo you could jump in and fly around in.
But in BF2 you can fly those puppies and parachute out even.
TFC maps started to look like alike and very few mappers were turning out advanced maps with realistic appeal. I remember Betrayed blew me away then Osaka then EJG_Hunted.
But Valve seemed to have abandoned the mod. CS release after release after and even DoD releases and yet no TF2, not even just TFC maps or expansions.

I hope FF is more than a retextured TFC, if so Im sure ill be an addict.

[grens]

"burned out aftet five years"
cheaters/hackers
people with big egos
no pubs

community changed and i dont like it :/

[mess]

yo unfor, spurs suck

also alan is fat.

[janordy]

I think the majority of TFC was college age when TFC was first around or adults already, they were only ones with good internet connections. By now almost all of them have moved on with their life. All the TFCers I heard saying they would come back and reform clans for TF2 was back in like 2002-2003. I doubt many are gonna come back now. It simply has taken too long, FF wasnt even thought about yet by the time the game lost a ton of old clans and players.

[Pouie]

At least this thread brought out some of the lost TFC'ers! Hi Look :D

[eznorb`]

Louie, why did you leave tfc :(. You don't remember me but i remember you. I played some matches against you when i was in .tKd. One of my favorite matches was against NM but i forgot the map name.

[Rimuladas]

I got a new game, its called Fatherhood. It kicks my ass every day.

I dont know if i will come back. Alot of the people from back in 99' & 2k would have to come back too help counter act the punks now out there in this community. If IGL came back, invite only, that would be fun.

[Exe]

For me, three reasons:

1. Simply burned out. I'd been playing for like almost 5 years straight.

2. A new, more enjoyable game for me (Guild Wars) came out, that also requires teamwork, strategy, etc. so that was the final nail in the coffin.

3. Too many hackers/cheaters. These days a five year old can get some sort of cheat and not get caught for a long time, if ever.

^^^ exactly


Edit... oh ya, and its summer (almost), there's simply too many other things to do outside :D

[DarthGreg]

I don't even remember what made this game so compelling for me. I made mH back when I was hopelessly addicted and when the clan finally died years later I couldn't find a reason to keep playing.

[Tone-Loc]

Well, I am coming back. I just got through building my new rig (complete with 7900GT card), and installed HL2 last night.

I don't exactly know the capacity I am coming back (e.g. admin'ing, broadcasting, etc...), but I am already on the road and heading that direction. Hell I was even in IRC for the first time since god-knows-when last night. Where the hell were all of you?! :P lol

[porkchop]

another thing someone briefly touched on this earlyier the learning curve in tfc is HUUUGEEEEE!!

much harder then any game ive ever played



This man has the right idea.

You can learn CS in an hour. Not so with TFC. Before bunnyhopping became all the rage and the HH conc was deemed mandatory you could get the hang of it in a week or so. Kill the defenders, run away with flag. When the game became all about "movement skills" new players were pretty much screwed, and the ones playing since 99 or 2k who didnt bother to learn said skills are now copper4life.

[mag]

A lot of people I played with moved on
There hasn't been an active pub list in years
A lot of people I played with moved on
Like a lot of others I'm burnt out.

Looking forward to some of the new aspects and learning curves of FF.

[realy]

Look at our age distribution.... Most of us started in middle school/highschool.... We are either in College now, or just getting out and having to take that step into the world. When my time comes (two years to go, then grad school), I probably will be dropping a lot of my computer habits.


Yeah, I think this is the biggest factor. I start playing 6 years ago in the summer of 2000 before my freshmen year of highschool, and now I'm a rising junior in college. At my school there is no way I would even have the time for one clan during the school year. Certainly I play now and again when I have time, and will definitely be playing more during the summer (even though I still am taking extra courses at a community college and working, I'll still have a lot more time then when I'm attending St. John's), but I just don't have the excessive ammount of free time I had in high school to play TFC.