A movie in which every single American should watch in it's entirety

[LittleAndroidMan]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=Obsession%3A+What+The+War+on+Terror+Is+Really+Ab out

This is an extremely truthful, and serious outlook on what needs to happen. I have been preaching for the past 4 years, that we need to do something major about this, because all that is going on is a cycle of hate breeding. We NEED to put a foot down. There are little children, and even girls, who are calling for the Death of America. This is one of the most serious videos I have ever watched, and in my honest opinion, anyone who truly cares about Democracy, and your future generation should watch this movie, digest it, and talk about it. I don't know what's more serious than a bunch of religious fanatics, declaring war on the world. And what's scary is they actually believe they will be rewarded. There are a hundred million Islamic Fundamentalists, and the only way to wipe them out, is with another World War. I am a liberal, and I believe that fighting is only applicable when extreme measure is needed, and this is one war that I will gladly sacrifice myself for. There is no corruption, murderer, or crime scarier than what is going on in the streets of Palestine, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, just to name a few. These leaders systematically turning CHILDREN [as shown in the video, being only 3.5 years old] into hate-filled beings, and openly condeming the Jews/America/Europe/Isreal to death.

You can tell me the Aliens have landed, Bush is part of the New World Order, but that pales in comparision to Islamic Fundamentalism. The video also made a great point in showing us they are using our own civility [Democracy] against us, by preaching their hate, and burning our flags in our own streets. And the funny thing is, most Americans turn a blind eye, and are too caught up in the latest fad. These very Americans I am mentioning are part of the problem. I can't think of anything more important than my future, and the future of the world, but apparently Americans in general are seperatists, which I predict will be the very downfall of this country. Unless someone steps up, and truly shows Americans the problem abroad, we will drown in a pool of ignorance. [Or blood]

[leg]

I'm at work so sorry for not watching the video before responding.

The way I see it is that in the terrorists (Islamic extremist) believe if we die, they win, and if they die trying to kill us, they win. So in a way, it is their ignorance that is going to destroy us (unless something is done ofcourse). I'm not saying that the majority of Americans are not ignorant of many things, but in comparison to the rest of the world, I think we are better off.

[LittleAndroidMan]

One can argue that we are more informed, but when it's concerning foreign affairs, Americans are general nihilistic, and seperatistic. Which is no way to go through life, especially when you have 100 million people declaring war on you. Islamic Jihad will be like no other World War. Sure, a couple million here, another there. Done. These guys aren't going out without a fight, and that's what we're gonne get, and if we continue on the traditional, 'hands-off' Americana approach to Foreign Affairs, well, all I can say is it's not going to be pretty. Look at Hezbollah, they've already declared their Jihad. Bin Laden has. Bin Laden has millions of followers. And if you watch the video [which you should undoubtedly when you get the time] you'll see whole CROWDS of people chanting, 'Death to America!'. We saw the Saudis and Palestinians hours after 9/11 cheering in the streets. This isn't going to end, and once again, I'm afraid if we continue to follow the traditional path of hands-foreign affairs, we'll be reduced to rubble.

[leg]

Yeah, I think everything will end once millions of people have died (us, them, both). However, I am beginning to think that those 3rd world countries don't stand a chance against our technological weaponry (considering that the other somewhat advanced countries don't ally with them). Soon, if not already, the US will have fully operational robotic plane/tanks.

Ofcourse the main issue is whether or not we can prevent ourselves from being nuked. Although many may doubt it, I believe that the US will eventually obtain a method of effectively "shooting down" these nukes as well. The US's technological advancements over the years have been increasing exponentially. I doubt a world war would decrease the rate of this trend.

[dys]

The problem with Americans is that the majority of them bitch and moan when somebody does try to do something about it.

edit- It's not only Americans.

[|RES|arod]

The problem with Americans is that the majority of them bitch and moan when somebody does try to do something about it.

edit- It's not only Americans.
Don't get me started on some of the politicians we have that are supposedly working for America's well being while dividing and ripping our country apart. It is a bad thing when the media and general public is completely outraged at Mel Gibson's anti-semitic remarks when he's just a fucking actor. Meanwhile, the real story of a muslim fundamentalist IN OUR OWN COUNTRY who shot up a synagogue and injured 6 unarmed Jewish women and killing one has somehow slipped under the table. The worst part is the fundamentalist came out of a mosque with a shaved head prior to the shooting. Are we afraid to offend people by questioning a religious entity in a situation like this?

/end rant

[LittleAndroidMan]

Don't get me started on some of the politicians we have that are supposedly working for America's well being while dividing and ripping our country apart. It is a bad thing when the media and general public is completely outraged at Mel Gibson's anti-semitic remarks when he's just a fucking actor. Meanwhile, the real story of a muslim fundamentalist IN OUR OWN COUNTRY who shot up a synagogue and injured 6 unarmed Jewish women and killing one has somehow slipped under the table. The worst part is the fundamentalist came out of a mosque with a shaved head prior to the shooting. Are we afraid to offend people by questioning a religious entity in a situation like this?

/end rant

Truth. Sensationalism in the media is fucking sickening. The worst offenders are those half-wit entertain tonight-esque hollywooyd circle jerk programs. I swear, if I hear about Geraldo Riveras moustache one more time, I think I might just join the Jihadists.

[[CS]-OmNiFraG]

Truth. Sensationalism in the media is fucking sickening. The worst offenders are those half-wit entertain tonight-esque hollywooyd circle jerk programs. I swear, if I hear about Geraldo Riveras moustache one more time, I think I might just join the Jihadists.

The media as a whole is a joke and is also partially responsible for this mess we're currently in. It's helped to create an anti-culture in which people can afford to live in denial of significant issues.

Check out some of my threads from last summer if you're seriously disappointed with this entertainment culture:

http://forums.thecatacombs.net/showthread.php?t=72688

http://forums.thecatacombs.net/showthread.php?t=78915

http://forums.thecatacombs.net/showthread.php?t=79293

[larcain]

I swear, if I hear about Geraldo Riveras moustache one more time, I think I might just join the Jihadists.

You and car charging into a barbershop with hair spray cans taped to your bodies?

[leg]

Really, your anger towards the media should be directed to those "average" citizens. The media only displays what people want to see. It's obvious that news stations display stories of violence and other emotionally appealing topics because of this.

[Moniker]

Really, your anger towards the media should be directed to those "average" citizens. The media only displays what people want to see. It's obvious that news stations display stories of violence and other emotionally appealing topics because of this. Wow, what an easily discernable and recognizable target to direct anger at! Why didn't I think of this?

[Cyberdemon]

Radical Muslims have been blowing themselves up for a while; those videos of "Saudis and Palestinians hours after 9/11 cheering in the streets" were CNN footage from the 1980s.

The worst part is the fundamentalist came out of a mosque with a shaved head prior to the shooting.

?

[Zogo]

"we're sorry, but this video may not be available."

what is this trash..gov't trying to hide info from me.

[LittleAndroidMan]

I'm re-uploading it. I hope it doesn't get taken down again.

[koruptid]

I think 9/11 was staged, but needed, because it allowed Bush to wage war on terror and put intelligence/spys in other countries.
Staged by whom?

[bergenhell]

Staged by whom?
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=57&cmd=showentry&eid=653

[eyez]

"we're sorry, but this video may not be available."

what is this trash..gov't trying to hide info from me.

that, or its violating copy rights.

edit: i wanna watch it tho (free).

[LittleAndroidMan]

-OmNiFraG']http://forums.thecatacombs.net/showthread.php?t=72688

http://forums.thecatacombs.net/showthread.php?t=78915

http://forums.thecatacombs.net/showthread.php?t=79293

Wow, nice job. Do you mind if I copy parts of it for an essay I'm writing?

[agi|e]

The video was unavailable so I had to watch this instead:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5400501194419256794

: /

[LittleAndroidMan]

LMAO.

But anyways, I re-uploaded the video, but it takes some time to 'verify'.

[[CS]-OmNiFraG]

Wow, nice job. Do you mind if I copy parts of it for an essay I'm writing?

I don't think you should copy any parts verbatim, but you can steal the ideas and re-use them all you want. I'm sending you a pm with citation info if you want to actually put me in your Bibliography.

[LittleAndroidMan]

Here's the video again.

Thanks Omni, I like your stuff!

[koruptid]

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=57&cmd=showentry&eid=653
What a load of horseshit.

[Zogo]

where is it?

[corymcmanus]

Has it ever occured to you guys that we have been at war with someone for the past 60 years.....and ever since the vietnam war, our government has been provoking violence, we're the ones causing the bloodshed, and of course there's two sides, yes their ignorance will be their demise, but put yourself in their shoes, (in Iraq) they see us as invaders taking their land and their resources, what would you do if your family was killed in a bombing and you can't do anything about it..... would you fight back against the oppressor?? who says " we're trying to free your country for the people, when in reality its we're freeing the country of the regime." Its through this administrations propaganda that we are going into a deeper hole, 9/11 could have been avoided but it wasn't because it served our country and this administrations interests, how selfish this country has become, wake up its not all their fault....of course teaching your kids to hate is wrong and those people who push for violence are wrong, but look at what the U.S has become, money is more important than life itself. What the U.S is doing right now is taking advantage while they have the military advantage, because they want this empire to be long lasting, but it wont last, our country is going bankrupt and these billions of dollars have to be paid back...Blood for Oil..

[Moniker]

I honestly don't see the point in pointing fingers. As much as you drama queens love to sit around and cry about how the country is doing down the shitter, that the "entertainment culture" or whatever is terrible and destroying our society, or that Bush staged 9/11 and is the devil, let me point out a simple fact:

Nobody cares.

Well, let me rephrase that, nobody who -matters- cares. You can blame it on the media manipulating information or the government brainwashing the people, but when it comes down to it, for most of the country, the War in Iraq doesn't really affect their lives (unless they have a loved one in the military). As long as people go to work every day, their kids go to school, they visit grandma every now and then, the football game comes on Sunday, and they make good on their mortgage/car payment/utilities, most people are simply just not going to give a fuck.

There is no looming threat of terrorism at home. I mean sure we have color coded charts and drills and so on, but life goes on like it always has -- most people don't seroiusly expect something else to just happen. They may say "yeah someone will probably commit a terrorist attack in the next 5 years" but nobody expects the Federal building they drive by on the way to work to blow up.

Until foreign issues overtly affect domestic issues, things will stay the same because people are find living life as normal.

[lollingat]

Don't get me started on some of the politicians we have that are supposedly working for America's well being while dividing and ripping our country apart. It is a bad thing when the media and general public is completely outraged at Mel Gibson's anti-semitic remarks when he's just a fucking actor. Meanwhile, the real story of a muslim fundamentalist IN OUR OWN COUNTRY who shot up a synagogue and injured 6 unarmed Jewish women and killing one has somehow slipped under the table. The worst part is the fundamentalist came out of a mosque with a shaved head prior to the shooting. Are we afraid to offend people by questioning a religious entity in a situation like this?

/end rant
is this the best you can do
edit: i punched "gibson" into freerepublic, i guess it is

[eyez]

Here's the video again.

where is it?

^

[LittleAndroidMan]

Ah! Totally forgot!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2967276362246845611&hl=en

[Terminotaur]

I honestly don't see the point in pointing fingers. As much as you drama queens love to sit around and cry about how the country is doing down the shitter, that the "entertainment culture" or whatever is terrible and destroying our society, or that Bush staged 9/11 and is the devil, let me point out a simple fact:

Nobody cares.
If people are crying about how the country is going down the shitter and that the "entertainment culture" is terrible, isn't that just a restatement of your simple fact and thus they already realize that and are crying about precisely that simple fact?

[koruptid]

Try two or three sentences next time.

[Kartikeya-OD]

Re-eye opening video. Amazing.

[Terminotaur]

Try two or three sentences next time.
Unfortunately for you, it's a valid grammatical construct involving a hypothetical clause followed by a compound sentence. If you want to be really nitpicky, I'm missing a comma in front of the conjunction between the two independent clauses.

[Moniker]

If people are crying about how the country is going down the shitter and that the "entertainment culture" is terrible, isn't that just a restatement of your simple fact and thus they already realize that and are crying about precisely that simple fact? Okay, let me dumb it down for you.

Everyone here is crying about the people in this country allowing things to happen. This is because the people have no reason to care. If you (the drama queens) realized this, then you would stop blaming the people for something that isn't their fault.

On a side note-- for your sake, I really hope your future career choice is with academia.

[[CS]-OmNiFraG]

Everyone here is crying about the people in this country allowing things to happen. This is because the people have no reason to care. If you (the drama queens) realized this, then you would stop blaming the people for something that isn't their fault.



I'm not interested in pointing fingers. The issue at hand is very broad and involves media, current politics, religious fundamentalism, information via advancing technology, and global economy among other things. It's not necessary to address each of these individually as they are all extensions of the same root: our current worldview of secularized Judeo-Christian ethics that says democracy and material gain are the best; in fact they are so good that the rest of the world needs to be converted to this form of ideology. When they are, you see the effects of the democracy and faith in materialism that I mentioned before. Shopping malls go up, people don't take culture or ideas too seriously, and as you mentioned in another post--as long as they have some money, a job to keep them busy, and entertainment, 99% of the general populace won't give a shit. In fact, unless they want to start blowing shit up like Kaczinsky or al-Qaeda, there's not much they actually can do. That's their only real way to immediately "do something about it". The only other hope (which I'm trying) is to gradually show people that an absolute faith in democracy and material comfort (as supported by religions like Christianity who say "we're all humans so we all deserve this highest good equally" thus crushing everyone's soul equally and turning them into a stereotypical consumer over time) should not be the end point for humanity. If you do believe this is the best thing for the human race, what's the conclusion? We all have an endless supply entertainment, junk foods, and sexual partners to go home to every night after performing a repetitive task for 8 hours? Unless things change quickly, that's not going to happen because the cost of just a few million people living that comfortably has already had severe consequences for the environment and less fortunate nations. It's just not going to turn out for the best...

(Last summer when I said I "quit" at this section of the forum it was because I honestly don't think this is a productive place to debate these kinds of issues. There are probably only maybe 5 or 10 people that are willing to talk seriously, whether they agree with me or not. That's why I've tried to say only what's necessary. It ends up being a tax on your time when people who have already made up their minds try to get you to run in circles.)

[leg]

(Last summer when I said I "quit" at this section of the forum it was because I honestly don't think this is a productive place to debate these kinds of issues. There are probably only maybe 5 or 10 people that are willing to talk seriously, whether they agree with me or not. That's why I've tried to say only what's necessary. It ends up being a tax on your time when people who have already made up their minds try to get you to run in circles.)

Yeah, I agree. Insults don't help either. *Me looks at the previous posts in this thread*

[Hellsy]

I live in New York City. None of us care. No one lives in New York City. Every few months we see a new story about how terrorists failed / gave up a plot to poison / explode me.

No one cares.

Oh wait, no one powerful cares.

"As far as I'm concerned, the Department of Homeland Security and the administration have declared war on New York," Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, told the Associated Press. "It's a knife in the back to New York, and I'm going to do everything I can to make them very sorry they made this decision."

I'm sure Rudy doesn't care, either, am I right?

:rolleyes:

Here is a shovel to dig yourself out of your gross generalizing.

[Moniker]

Was that directed at me? Because I really can't even tell. If so, I'll just use this post as a placeholder.

[koruptid]

Unfortunately for you, it's a valid grammatical construct involving a hypothetical clause followed by a compound sentence. If you want to be really nitpicky, I'm missing a comma in front of the conjunction between the two independent clauses.
I'm aware that it's gramatically correct. That doesn't make it the clearest way to express your argument.

Thanks for the English lesson, though.

[Terminotaur]

Everyone here is crying about the people in this country allowing things to happen. This is because the people have no reason to care. If you (the drama queens) realized this, then you would stop blaming the people for something that isn't their fault.
These 'drama queens' are crying about people believing they have no reason to care. That is one of their main crying points. Thus, they already realize your grand revelation.

[Yesbama]

Monikers statement about American Apathy is entirely correct, he just didn't need to express it in such a way that is condescending to previous posts.

I'm really starting to become disgusted with our country. I hate our mainstream ideals, degenerating morals, and absolute ignorance of anything outside of ourselves. I'm not proud to be an American and I challenge anyone on this board to explain to me what makes us the greatest country in the world (not greatest superpower). We don't even have fucking healthcare. There is so much that is wrong with everything that it's too encumbering to think about.

God I wish I could just be religious and oblivious.

[Cyberdemon]

stuff

Not only do you go from "Moniker should be less condescending" to "religious people are oblivious" in like two paragraphs, you don't really distinguish a great country from a great superpower.

[necro]

The problem with Americans is that the majority of them bitch and moan when somebody does try to do something about it.

edit- It's not only Americans.


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