Bush OKs involuntary Marine recall

[Pandelli]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/marine.recall/index.html

President Bush has authorized the U.S. Marine Corps to recall 2,500 troops to active duty because there are not enough volunteers returning for duty in Afghanistan and Iraq, Marine commanders announced Tuesday.

ruh roh shagy, we are inchin closer to a draft. Looks like I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue!!

[Tone-Loc]

Nothing involuntary about it. These are marines who still have time left on the 8 year committment they signed up for (4 active + 4 on-call reserve).

Of course that part was buried in the next to last paragraph of the article.

[-Dirby-]

Nothing involuntary about it. These are marines who still have time left on the 8 year committment they signed up for (4 active + 4 on-call reserve).

Of course that part was buried in the next to last paragraph of the article.

DING DING DING we have a winner!

Draft my ass.

[Moniker]

Yeah, the U.S. military has a habit of choosing to fuck its own people over rather than put in a draft, cause you know, drafts are bad for politics.

Bonus option: stop starting so many goddamn wars

[-Dirby-]

Yeah, the U.S. military has a habit of choosing to fuck its own people over rather than put in a draft, cause you know, drafts are bad for politics.

Bonus option: stop starting so many goddamn wars

agreed, I'm not saying what he is doing is right. But no matter what choice is made people will be bending over grabbing their ankles.

[MV8]

agreed, I'm not saying what he is doing is right. But no matter what choice is made people will be bending over grabbing their ankles.


Letsee... You sign a contract that states you are obligated to perform 4yrs active, and then are subject to recall for an additional four years. Then, the holder of the contract that you signed asks that you do ONE of those four years.

You are doing what you agreed to do. You are NOT getting fucked.

You are implying that this is wrong.

It's not...Cause you agreed to it...

[-Dirby-]

Letsee... You sign a contract that states you are obligated to perform 4yrs active, and then are subject to recall for an additional four years. Then, the holder of the contract that you signed asks that you do ONE of those four years.

You are doing what you agreed to do. You are NOT getting fucked.

You are implying that this is wrong.

It's not...Cause you agreed to it...

what you agreed to do yes...unforunately I feel that it should only involve war.
Iraq is not a War but a "Military Enagement." The US hasn't officially declared war since June 5, 1942.

[Scorcher]

what you agreed to do yes...unforunately I feel that it should only involve war.
Iraq is not a War but a "Military Enagement." The US hasn't officially declared war since June 5, 1942.

I'm pretty sure it was right after pearl harbor.

[dook]

Surely you must be kidding

[Frag]

It's not...Cause you agreed to it...

hahahah your sig's quote followed your post quite nicely

[-Dirby-]

I'm pretty sure it was right after pearl harbor.
Yes but that was only on Japan, on December 8, 1941. Three days later Germany and Italy, then finally in June of 1942, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary.

[rabidkevin]

military engagment or war.. whatever you wanna fucking call it, they both have the exact same purpose, reasoning, justification, and mentality.

change of idea by force

[Scorcher]

I see what you did there.

[lollingat]

Yeah, the U.S. military has a habit of choosing to fuck its own people over rather than put in a draft, cause you know, drafts are bad for politics.

Bonus option: stop starting so many goddamn wars
also the general population makes a shitty fighting force

[Moniker]

also the general population makes a shitty fighting force the general population makes a shitty everything

[ass*assassin]

you sign the line, you say, "I do!" and they can send ya anywhere they want.. you have no say, since you signed away your your rights and now come under the ucmj.. end of story..

and i know, i been called up 'involuntarily' three times in the past..

[Clank]

Of course that part was buried in the next to last paragraph of the article.

They made it quite clear, when I signed. That I had 6 years of active service, then another 2 of retainability.

They didn't try and hide it, most of the people that were with me didn't know that going in. But they all knew, before they signed, that they could potentially be called back after their active term was up.

So there really isn't anything wrong with what he did. They aren't getting fucked over. Yeah, it might not be the best thing in the world for some of them, but they knew what they were getting into.

[Tone-Loc]

They made it quite clear, when I signed. That I had 6 years of active service, then another 2 of retainability.

They didn't try and hide it, most of the people that were with me didn't know that going in. But they all knew, before they signed, that they could potentially be called back after their active term was up.

So there really isn't anything wrong with what he did. They aren't getting fucked over. Yeah, it might not be the best thing in the world for some of them, but they knew what they were getting into.


Yeah, I was talking about the way that CNN buried that little nugget of information that pretty much tells people that these soldiers aren't really being screwed over by the government. I mean it sucks that they have to get called back up and everything, and I am sure that many folks over the years have not been needed to be called back up. So I am sure that when guys were enlisting back before 9/11, if they really weighed that out in their mind, they may have thought there would be a good chance they would not be called back up. But its still a gamble, and no one being called back up is being caught off guard, or having their lives unfairly disrupted by the man.

I was actually suprised they included the fact that these were people who still had on-call time left at all. But this is where I have a problem with mainstream media that are supposedly objectively just reporting news as fact. The reporter here obviously thought it better to concentrate on calling this an "INVOLUNTARY" recall of soldiers who had already served in active duty, and only mentioning the part about fulfilling the remainder of the on-call duty at the end of the story. Which is how we get this thread, and someone proclaiming a draft is in the future, and here's proof....!

Objective journalism would have been to state the government was performing a recall of soldiers with time still left on their 8 year commitment. They could even go on to say it was needed because the war in Iraq and on terror continues to drag on... but instead, we get the text book, mainstream liberal journalism that you hear about from the talk radio folks. Of course, those airheads and blog bloviators claim not to be a part of the media and have a nasty habit of overstating everything... making their credibility suspect when they try to tell people about what's going on around them.

[Clank]

CNN is such a POS news station.
Fox is the only thing we ever watch in the shop.

I do love how they fail to mention the fact that recalling troops, gets people that have been there 2+ years a chance to come home.

Some army peeps in the base next to mine, has been over there a year. They were set to come home, some 200 people already had come home. Then they got tasked to spend another 6+ months in the desert.

I don't care who you are, that hurts. So recalls will really help take some of the pressure off, because it is really shortmanned over there for Army/Marines.

[schtoofa]

I've talked to several friends who are in the armed forces, and heard a couple of interviews with other armed forces members (not CNN interviews!), and they all had a good attitude about it. Basically they said that they signed up to do this work, and if they are called to go then they will do it and do it as well as they can. Some of them didn't like that it might interrupt their plans, but it's part of the deal and they knew what they signed up for. *shrug*

[Stayne]

Its unfortunate that every media source has to report in a way that fits a specific ideology. You don't excape it by watching FOX. In fact, leaving CNN to watch FOX might be the equivalent of jumping from the fire pan into the fire. But whatever, its all pretty bad. News programs have become entertainment shows. And when it comes down to entertainers, I choose Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert hands down.

[Moniker]

For some reason, this really chaps my ass. IMO, the problem is that the government can't make up its fucking mind. There's a job to do in Iraq, give us what we need to do it. Either put up or shut up. If we're going to have to go to Iraq to fight this war, we need to be pouring a lot more money into recruiting and equipping a standing force. If the Feds don't want to foot the bill, then they need to pull out. It's like agreeing to play a doubleheader in baseball, but you only bring 1 pitcher.

This is the same kind of indecisive bullshit that went on in Vietnam. We have the ability to do what we need to do, but goddamn politicians won't commit to it because they're pussies. We're so stretched thin that it's ridiculous, and the effects are going to be felt for years after Iraq. Retention is going to take a nose dive because people don't like being toyed with, like with this IRR callup.

So either start a draft, increase the recruiting/retention budget, or send less troops over there, instead of refusing to change all 3 and fucking over the people who had the balls to join up and go over there in the first place. "Support the Troops" my ass.

[MV8]

When it comes down to entertainers, I choose Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert hands down.


It is really easy to be a comedian. You are accountable for nothing, someone else writes your material, and you never have to justify anything you say. Must be tough...

[Stayne]

It is really easy to be a comedian. You are accountable for nothing, someone else writes your material, and you never have to justify anything you say. Must be tough...

Ya, b/c O'Reily, Hannity and Limbaugh write all thier own stuff. They are today's political masterminds. Unfortunately, Stewart is a better reporter than any of those hacks, and he does it without having to make up catchy slogans about how much he can be trusted. No spin zone? We report, you decide? Fair and balanced? lol ok guys.

Like I said, they are all entertainers. Stewart and Colbert are more entertaining to me. The other guys just piss me off. Not only in their bias and prejudice, but in the way they yell over thier guests, make up "facts", and generally abuse whoever they disagree with. Some people get off on that. I don't.

Anyways, that's all off-topic. Sorry for the derail.

[Zogo]

the thing I'm more interested in is this

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/05/AR2006080500732.html

should the president get to take complete control of the national guard like this?

[Tone-Loc]

I don't think the president should have these powers, so I hope that idea is squashed... but isn't this exactly what everyone wanted him to do after Katrina hit? Can we get a real political party going, so we can merge the two we have now into the Hypocrit Party?

[sparkz]

Ya, b/c O'Reily, Hannity and Limbaugh write all thier own stuff. They are today's political masterminds. Unfortunately, Stewart is a better reporter than any of those hacks, and he does it without having to make up catchy slogans about how much he can be trusted. No spin zone? We report, you decide? Fair and balanced? lol ok guys.

Like I said, they are all entertainers. Stewart and Colbert are more entertaining to me. The other guys just piss me off. Not only in their bias and prejudice, but in the way they yell over thier guests, make up "facts", and generally abuse whoever they disagree with. Some people get off on that. I don't.

Anyways, that's all off-topic. Sorry for the derail.

You can derail all you want. You're totally correct. There is no difference between John Stewart and any other talking head out there. Stewart makes fun of people he disagrees with. O'Reilly/Hannity/Dobbs/Olbermann/whoever goes on fifteen-minute diatribes as to why the other person is an idiot and as to why we should be throwing roses at their feet. It's the same shit with a different paint job.

[Pandelli]

Yes, but he his paint job is funny!! O'Reily makes me want to hurt a kitten.