Demo Dets

[XenoCyKo]

Some time ago someone gave me a bind to quickswitch to the green launcher (when blue was out) to det without the delay you get when you have the blue launcher out. It was something like lastinv or something. If anyone knows the bind of which I speak of, please let me know :D It was a semi long string that included lastinv and then det in 1 press. Thanks :D

[BlackThoughT]

the one I use is bind "keyhere" "lastinv;detpipe;lastinv" but there are a few others

[Pablo999]

bind key "+attack; wait; -attack; lastinv; detpipe; lastinv;"

same thing as the one before, but shoots a pipe out, handy for those times when u get faked out :)

[BoSlim]

I think its weak.

[Jarek]

or considering u might have shotty as last inv

mine is bind mouse2 "slot5; detpipe"

[dys]

ban.

[XenoCyKo]

Thanks guys. <3

[defjux]

you can det with any weapon out, can't you?

[Milosenpotion]

Only bad demos use this (poly)

[Flyingcow]

alias +poop "detpipe;use tf_weapon_pl;+attack;detpipe;detpipe"
alias -poop "detpipe;-attack"
bind "MOUSE2" "+poop"

this script does the same as the ones above, except it doesnt exploit the detonation time. it shoots a pipe and dets one at the same time.

its helpful for doing a lot of damage really fast. literally owns heavies if you do it right. just make a pipe det in front of him one after the other and unless he has gay clear sprites, he wont be able to see you through the explosions.

can someone tel me exactly what the lastinv;detpipe;lastinv does
i tried using it and it doesnt det any faster than by hand.

[Gogeta]

it eliminates the delay of deting if you have just shot a pipe. but the pipe that you have just shot, wont det.


1. your making a pipetrap.
2. enemy comes
3. your piping
4. enemy walks on your pipes.
5. you can det while shooting a pipe.
6. the pipe you just shot remains.

[N4P4LM]

all of you that use this are fucking terrible...

edit: also, i thought the quick-det exploit was fixed a long time ago?

[colin]

why is that legal? it's a clear exploit that can only be accomplished through scripting, just like _special

of course pipedown shouldn't be legal either, but you're pretty terrible if you need pipedown

[donn]

bind q lastinv FTW

[fong]

bind q lastinv FTW


thank god. i thought i was the only one able to do it manually :\. you guys are lame asses using scripts :)

[XenoCyKo]

why is that legal? it's a clear exploit that can only be accomplished through scripting, just like _special

of course pipedown shouldn't be legal either, but you're pretty terrible if you need pipedown


That bugs me, if something in a game can be used by EVERY SINGLE PERSON why does everyone bitch? Use it urself then and stop whining. Its only an "exploit" if only certain people can do it and gain the upperhand on you which IS NOT the case with this and same with _special. It's like saying omggg rocket jumping is an exploit. Since im too lazy/stupid/proud to use it, clearly its an exploit.

[fong]

some poeple play the game the way its meant to be played pretty much.

[bergenhell]

That bugs me, if something in a game can be used by EVERY SINGLE PERSON why does everyone bitch? Use it urself then and stop whining. Its only an "exploit" if only certain people can do it and gain the upperhand on you which IS NOT the case with this and same with _special. It's like saying omggg rocket jumping is an exploit. Since im too lazy/stupid/proud to use it, clearly its an exploit.

the better question would be why do you need to make a 7 year old game so easy it plays itself? if you need this script you should not be playing demoman. this was brought up in the tfc tech forum about a month ago, and it never ceases to amaze me how pathetic some people are about video games.

edit: holy shit by your logic nail grenades in a ceiling isn't an exploit? you are an idiot.

[N4P4LM]

That bugs me, if something in a game can be used by EVERY SINGLE PERSON why does everyone bitch? Use it urself then and stop whining. Its only an "exploit" if only certain people can do it and gain the upperhand on you which IS NOT the case with this and same with _special. It's like saying omggg rocket jumping is an exploit. Since im too lazy/stupid/proud to use it, clearly its an exploit.


rockets are supposed to push whoever they hit whent hey explode...hence rocketjumps not being an exploit. pipe bombs are not supposed to be detted as quickly as this script allows them to be...hence this being an exploit.

[BlackThoughT]

fps_max 50

[dys]

This was the whole reason people justified banning _special for.

[Jarek]

no im pretty sure that _special toss was way more of a problem than this.

then of course _special jump etc.

[Edy]

I dont use this stupid bullshit script and its part of the reason on why people bitch at me playing demo.

[linkfish]

its an EXPLOIT, because you cant use it UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SCRIPT.

[nord]

actually you can, linkfish, just not as easily.

[bergenhell]

im pretty sure you can't fire a pipe then det every pipe except the one you just fired without the script.

[Doug]

yes you can, if you have lastinv bound it's really easy w/o a script, but I don't do it because it's a faggot exploit.

[bergenhell]

i stand corrected.

[Flyingcow]

How about we just det BEFORE we fire the next pipe onto the flag. if you do that then there is no delay. you can det pipes as fast as you shoot them, as long as you det before you fire the next one. i agree that you really dont need this.

[HurricanE]

some poeple play the game the way its meant to be played pretty much.
we arent allowed to.

[Jarek]

i stand corrected.

the funny part is that you were the one who told me the bind for slot5; detpipe

[bergenhell]

yeah but i don't use it, that's why i wasn't 100% sure.

[N4P4LM]

How about we just det BEFORE we fire the next pipe onto the flag. if you do that then there is no delay. you can det pipes as fast as you shoot them, as long as you det before you fire the next one. i agree that you really dont need this.

you're still not supposed to be able to det your pipes as fast as you want. if i load up TFC right now and fire a pipe, there is a delay before it can be detted...and that's how it should be for everyone. if you were supposed to be able to det a pipe as fast as you want, then there wouldnt be a delay built into the game.

[Flyingcow]

you dont understand whats going on in this thread. the delay we are talking about is not being able to det right after you fire. try it. put a pipe on a ground, shoot your shotgun and try and det at the same time. apparently these scripts eliminate that delay.

im just saying if you det before you fire, and not the other way around. you dont need these scripts.

[wads]

it sucks how any terrible demo can instantly become alot better with these scripts, while a good demo without these scripts actually needs skill to time when and how many pipes they put on the flag at any one time incase someone concs in. gg faggots

[Jarek]

it sucks how any terrible demo can instantly become alot better with these scripts, while a good demo without these scripts actually needs skill to time when and how many pipes they put on the flag at any one time incase someone concs in. gg faggots

demo is a pretty fun class, but script or no script i am absolutely terrible at it.

[janordy]

Anyone who uses a script to increase det speed is a cheater.

[jabroni]

those things mess up my quick repipe, where you det and throw a pipe almost at the exact time hoping to det real quick, but it wont let you det that one pipe :(

im with jarek though.

[bergenhell]

it sucks how any terrible demo can instantly become alot better with these scripts, while a good demo without these scripts actually needs skill to time when and how many pipes they put on the flag at any one time incase someone concs in. gg faggots

i completely agree with you.

LoLz!! :3

[Flyingcow]

honestly this script does not make you any better because its possible to 95% of it without scripts and without last inventory.

if i anticipate a failed det, i fire another pipe at the flag DIRECTLY after the det within a tenth of a second. and if i need to, ill det the one i just fired WITHOUT scripts.

you do not need scripts to detonate unless you lack 2 finger coordination of rightclicking and left clicking almost simultaneously. I have detpipe set to b since its easier to spam dets.

[bergenhell]

honestly this script does not make you any better because its possible to 95% of it without scripts and without last inventory.

if i anticipate a failed det, i fire another pipe at the flag DIRECTLY after the det within a tenth of a second. and if i need to, ill det the one i just fired WITHOUT scripts.

you do not need scripts to detonate unless you lack 2 finger coordination of rightclicking and left clicking almost simultaneously. I have detpipe set to b since its easier to spam dets.

you're not understanding - the script allows you to fire a pipe and det all your other pipes at the same time, leaving one pipe undetted.

[wads]

scripts also allow you to det and shoot a pipe at the same time. so basically you'll never be caught off guard when you're reseting your pipe trap.

if they banned clear explosions, i dont see how this is legal

[|RES|arod]

lol, this script will not make you a good demo. Some of you are overreacting. I have never used or really heard of this script and don't really mind other people using it. I don't think its that big of an advantage.

[crosby]

scripts also allow you to det and shoot a pipe at the same time. so basically you'll never be caught off guard when you're reseting your pipe trap.

if they banned clear explosions, i dont see how this is legal

are you trying to ban a script?

While your at it lets lock fov as well.

[wads]

are you trying to ban a script?

While your at it lets lock fov as well.

my point was that clear explosions shoudlnt be banned.

[Dogysamich]

I do this all the time w/o a script

mouse1 +attack fires,
mouse4 +attack2 for dm detting,
e +attack2 for set detting.

just gotta get used to the timing

[BlackThoughT]

lol, this script will not make you a good demo. Some of you are overreacting. I have never used or really heard of this script and don't really mind other people using it. I don't think its that big of an advantage.

seriously...

you still have to have a reaction time if somones trying to fake you out or conc through your pipetrap or anything, you still have to have a decent idea of how to bounce pipes if you're dm'ing... you still have to have some semblence of blue aim, you still have to know how to lay a good pipe trap...

shall I continue?

[XenoCyKo]

cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


*edit added more y's

[atheist]

Well.. usually I do use scripts, but only for the benefit of the fact of my vision since I'm half blind in one eye(aka fov script). This script is lame and is just an exploit to not have skill to play demoman. It is basically same thing as _special and should be banned like the rest of it or else they should just let _special come back and invisible explosions since 'everyone' could use it.

[XenoCyKo]

lol your right i cant handle the flame, im crying inside and thinking about killing myself ahhh make it stop!!!

[Jimyd]

bind mwheelup "slot4"
bind mwheeldown "slot5"

OMGOSHLOLZIMUBERZSCRIPTERZ!!! :rolleyes:

[Nomad]

i really don't think there's a way to block lastinv quickdet, unlike clear explosion sprites.
leagues could make it illegal, but the only way to tell for certain that someone was using it is if they shoot and det, but the pipe they just shot doesn't det.

[Flyingcow]

you're not understanding - the script allows you to fire a pipe and det all your other pipes at the same time, leaving one pipe undetted.

um thats exactly what i said. read again

[crosby]

rw get back to ak

[_loche]

thank god. i thought i was the only one able to do it manually :\. you guys are lame asses using scripts :)

in your avi u use the script :X

[XenoCyKo]

lawl, busted

[FebreezE-BSU]

yeah i use it, and im still better then 99% of the people that play this game(then and now), with our without it.

milos if you need attention this bad, maybe you should go back to sta tin where boa actually wins matches.

i also use a different version, and no i wont tell you what it is.




















ppv2

[WonderBoy]

let me just put this out there..

people consider this an exploit because...

a.) you NEED a script to do it (don't give me this stupid bs about rj being an "exploit".. you don't need a script. same with _special)

b.) you have a pipe out that doesn't det (do i have to explain?)

c.) that 1/2 second or whatever it gives you to get that last pipe really does make a difference to someone grabbing the flag and running. (go ahead and juke the demo.. he'll have another pipe down before you can press forward)

d.) it's lame. would you call a sniper script that takes away the time to charge a shot an exploit? how about priming a nade before letting go of the first? or a fast build engie script? cmon.. if you could save 1/2 second on everything it'd be a different game.

[donn]

u can do it with default tfc controls easilly, no script needed. like someone said earlier.. the exploit itself should be banned, no matter how u do it (so people couldnt claim they did it manually).

[Griffith-]

It's very easy to do it without a script. That is how I play demo, and have played demo for the last couple years.


bind "MOUSE3" "lastinv"
bind "MOUSE2" "slot5; +reload; wait; -reload"
bind "MWHEELDOWN" "slot4; +reload; wait; -reload"
bind "MWHEELUP" "detpipe"


Basically all I use. It takes some time to get the hang of, but once you get a handle on it, you can det just as quick as a quickdet script.

[Milosenpotion]

dont ban it or poly might retire from tfc again LOL
give up the scripts brO

[SithDrummer]

of course pipedown shouldn't be legal either, but you're pretty terrible if you need pipedown
+1

Also, I think the exploit should be declared invalid. There's definitely enough advantage to this to make it a problem.

[wads]

you dont need a script to do it, but its almost impossible to do it manually everytime, because it would require you to be switching weapons constantly as you're shooting pipes.

[FebreezE-BSU]

dont ban it or poly might retire from tfc again LOL
give up the scripts brO


LOL keep trying man, i can tell ure sweating all over you're keyboard to come up with these...

shouldnt you be blowing up some market in isreaL br0

[PeeKZ_333]

LOL keep trying man, i can tell ure sweating all over you're keyboard to come up with these...

shouldnt you be blowing up some market in isreaL br0


Poly 1
Milos 0

Poly still sucks cuz he left the 408 to spend the nights away with zack

[FebreezE-BSU]

Poly 1
Milos 0

Poly still sucks cuz he left the 408 to spend the nights away with zack


i miss the four oh eight ;{

[Milosenpotion]

plzzzz my peasants trying to group together to overthrow the king...where's r0bin hood at brOs?

[Biney59]

TFC

[Pritz]

This should really be banned. I would have to argue that the reason _special was banned was because it was easy to det pipes while shooting any other gun.

If I am playing demo, which I do most of the time, and I am piping the flag. Lets say a scout runs in towards the flag and I know another one will be close behind. I det the first scout and now there are no pipes on the flag and the other scout is still on his way. How long until he gets there? I don't know. But here is the difference between quick det and no quick det.

No Quick Det: I have to think carefully about how many pipes I want to put on the flag. If the scout is really close maybe I only toss two pipes out knowing if I try and lay 6-8 pipes he might conc in while I am setting my trap and I can't det fast enough. So my choice would probably lay around 2-3 pipes to be safe and wait trying to catch him with the small number and hope it kills him. With only two pipes out the scout is probably guaranteed at least a touch on the flag.

With the Quick Det: I can just keep tossing as many pipes as I want fearless to the fact that if he concs in right as I am shooting my 5th or 6th pipe on my trap I can det right away and kill him. With the 5 pipes out there he probably won't get a touch and the flag can be returned more easily.

To me this is a HUGE factor when playing demo. Knowing how much time you have to make a trap and how large it can be made safely. Without this worry why even play demo? Just keep tossing pipes all day without fear of consequences.

/end

[decap]

i still have a quickdet pipejump manually no one has been able to do, pm me for more info

oracle couldn't either

[PF.ankles?]

LOl wtf

[b-buddy]

whoever uses this shit and pipedown should punch themselves in their vagina

[fong]

decap, internet champion.

[defjux]

whoever uses this shit and pipedown should punch themselves in their vagina

^

[StQ]

ban all custom sprites/models too, they give people advantages (glowing models)


Who the fuck cares about this exploit NOW anywayzZz

[wads]

ban all custom sprites/models too, they give people advantages (glowing models)


Who the fuck cares about this exploit NOW anywayzZz

ban all aimbots and wallhacks too, they give people advantages, OH WAIT LOZLOOLZOLOLZLOZ

theres many levels of advantages explOtiZ give you