Donald Rumsfeld resigning?

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[ass*assassin]

yup, done.. shoulda done this 2 years ago.. the guy is smart, but his time was done and it was time to move on 2 years ago..

[matt-]

I was JUST ABOUT TO POST THIS DAMNIT

Olbermann is going to have a field day.

[dook]

looks like they're going to try to place the blame on rummy, which is in part correct, but they're leaving out the rest of an administration.

[}tHoL{-Bout2plucku]

time for rummy to get rich... now he gets to write a tell all book and wash the blood off his hands with wine

[Zogo]

fired or what?

[FluxCapacitor]

He probably assumed the democrats were taking the house and decided to resign before they tried to buttfuck him...now he gets to write a book like a poster above said and get even richer.

[Outflow]

ass*assassin; I agree with you that he is smart (in the way that serial killers and child predators are smart).

[AntioK]

ass*assassin; I agree with you that he is smart (in the way that serial killers and child predators are smart).


I also get that child predator vibe from the guy, While i think bush is incompetent, and a bad president, i don't necessarily think he's such a bad guy, but Cheney and Rumsfeld, those guys just look evil.

[leg]

What's funny is if he had of resigned before the election, maybe the republicans would still have the majority in the house/senate. But yeah, it's possbile he resigned because of the outcome of the election. If he was actually forced to resign then Bush or whoever is a retard for waiting till after the election.

[hawk]

No no no, the Bush administration has been trying its best to make it seem like it Iraq is going fine and dandy. Firing Rumsfeld would have been an open admission that there are serious problems there. The President waited until the American people told him he fucked up before he would do anything about it.

[Kartikeya-OD]

I have never once heard anyone say everything was fine and dandy in Iraq. If that was the case we'd had left already.

[Yesbama]

I have never once heard anyone say everything was fine and dandy in Iraq. If that was the case we'd had left already.


You know what he meant.

[munks]

I have never once heard anyone say everything was fine and dandy in Iraq. If that was the case we'd had left already.
guess you don't watch cspan much

What's funny is if he had of resigned before the election, maybe the republicans would still have the majority in the house/senate. But yeah, it's possbile he resigned because of the outcome of the election. If he was actually forced to resign then Bush or whoever is a retard for waiting till after the election.
Not a chance in hell they would have held onto the house, the senate perhaps, but I doubt one political appointee by the President getting fired would have caused a drastic effect from anyone other than democrats who wanted him gone anyway. If he had fired Rumsfeld prior to the elections, people would have walked into the booth knowing the President is taking orders from Democrats which displays weakness in the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF!

[MidnightStalker]

You know what he meant.
In stark contrast to what most people inside Iraq see vs. what the media feed you. Sure.

[PHISH]

guess you don't watch cspan much


Not a chance in hell they would have held onto the house, the senate perhaps, but I doubt one political appointee by the President getting fired would have caused a drastic effect from anyone other than democrats who wanted him gone anyway. If he had fired Rumsfeld prior to the elections, people would have walked into the booth knowing the President is taking orders from Democrats which displays weakness in the COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF!
It would have shown that Bush was finally acknowledging a mistake. Admitting a mistake is something he has vowed that a leader must never do, as it shows weakness...(which indeed is true, why take a hit when you can ignore it?). But this has to be the first time he's essentially acknowledged a failure about any action in iraq. It shows some growth, and the administration beginning to face reality.. The thing that bothers me is they were quite likely going to stick with Rummy if the traditional 'fear' and stay the course campaign had worked again at the polls, despite the mounting mistakes he has made. The whole fear card is not going to be effective in the future, now a republican party that has grown on being divisive suddenly has to take on a new course politically. Whatever happened to being a uniter rather than a divider?

We have the potential to see less arrogance, and more critical thought from the president now than ever before...I think that is very healthy for the country as a whole. It's interesting how Bush is now in a position to make some of the most important decisions in our countries history, specifically concerning the future of America's superpower status in the world. I think that at least now there is a small possibility he will get it right and make this decision based on the realities of the world, and not the fantasy neo-con plan to get a foothold in the middle east.

[Zogo]

I have never once heard anyone say everything was fine and dandy in Iraq. If that was the case we'd had left already.

do you think we're going to leave there? I don't.

[Yesbama]

In stark contrast to what most people inside Iraq see vs. what the media feed you. Sure.


um, Exactly. I don't think too many Americans get their info on Iraq from a primary source, do you?

[ohman]

I just have this idea of Rummy saying "Well, I can't possibly do anymore damage here..."

[Moniker]

Honestly, I didn't think Rumsfeld was that bad himself. I think his ultimate downfall was that he was so good at executing an ultimately flawed administrative foreign policy.

It's really hard to explain. Think of it this way, a motorcycle can either be reliable transportation or a one-way ticket to instant death. Bush was basically a newbie rider doing a wheelie at 130mph and crashing head on into an 18-wheeler, and Rumsfeld was the high-performance torquey sportbike that enabled him to do it so easily.

Because Rumsfeld was able to execute Bush's will so well, when Bush's plan didn't turn out for the best, the hammer came down on Rumsfeld and his style of execution.

[schtoofa]

The Bush Administration definitely has problems re: Iraq, but it looks like they're trying to resolve them. I'm happy about this.

Yes, Bush is Commander-in-chief. He has so many issues to be thinking about that he can't spend all his time thinking about Iraq. Hence why I think it was a smart decision to create that 10-member panel (that Gates is/was a member of) to investigate strategies and present them to the Pres. They come up with the recommendations and present them to him. He and SecDef and whomever else decide what to do based on what they come up with.

Hopefully the right decisions are made and we end up on the right path to having Iraq be a self-sustaining, self-policing, relatively non-corrupt democracy. Within a reasonable time-span - what's reasonable, I don't know. ASAP.

[Zogo]

Bush was basically a newbie rider doing a wheelie at 130mph and crashing head on into an 18-wheeler...

lol..I like that analogy.

[FluxCapacitor]

I think monikers post makes a pretty good amount of sense to be honest. His analogy pretty much hits it.

[PHISH]

Did anyone catch Bush's response to a reporter at his press conference?

Q: Thank you, Mr. President.

Last week you told us that Secretary Rumsfeld would be staying on. Why is the timing right now for this? And how much does it have to do with the election results?

BUSH: Right.

No, you and Hunt and Keil came in the Oval Office and you asked - Hunt asked me the question one week before the campaign, and basically it was: You going to do something about Rumsfeld and the vice president? And my answer was, you know, they're going to stay on.

And the reason why is I didn't want to inject a major decision about this war in the final days of a campaign.

And so the only way to answer that question and to get you onto another question was to give you that answer.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/15962356.htm

I don't know I just was amazed that a politician would actually acknowledge freely that he lied and artificially timed the decision based on the results of the election. Apparently the equally timed conviction of saddam didn't help enough.

[Zogo]

I don't know I just was amazed that a politician would actually acknowledge freely that he lied and artificially timed the decision based on the results of the election. Apparently the equally timed conviction of saddam didn't help enough.

hehe..only hide the BIG lies..like wiretapping etc.