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matt-
November 14th, 2006, 04:04 AM
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/13/giuliani.president/

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, known for his apt leadership after the attacks of September 11, 2001, took the first step toward a possible 2008 presidential bid by forming an exploratory committee.

Giuliani has not officially decided whether to run, said committee treasurer John Gross in a statement.

"We have taken the necessary legal steps so an organization can be put in place and money can be raised," Gross said. (Watch how Giuliani will be pondering a presidential run "quite a bit" -- 1:44 Video)

A document from the New York Department of State says Giuliani made the initial filing Friday.

Paperwork filed with the department said the committee's purpose is "to conduct federal 'testing-the-waters' activities under the Federal Election Campaign Act."

Giuliani, 62, joins Rep. Duncan Hunter of California, chairman of the powerful House Armed Services Committee, as the only Republican to form an exploratory committee.

Democratic Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa formed an exploratory committee Thursday, making him the only Democrat to do so.

Federal election law allows an individual to travel and gauge the level of support without formally declaring his or her candidacy and being subject to federal fundraising rules, according to The Associated Press.

An individual who spends money only to test the waters, rather than officially campaign for office, does not have to register as a candidate, the AP reported.

Though there is strong support for his candidacy, Giuliani would be a controversial choice for the Republicans.

His moderate views on social issues like gay rights and his opposition to banning certain types of late-term abortions are likely to draw fire from religious conservatives.

Citing those political stances and Giuliani's past opposition to President Bush's tax cuts and to an increase in the minimum wage, the Democratic National Committee released a statement questioning whether Giuliani could "just explain away" his positions on issues dear to the conservative Republican base.

"Throughout his career Giuliani has tried to paint himself as a moderate, but now that he's vying for his party's nomination will he undergo an extreme makeover in an attempt to cozy up to the far-right?" Democratic National Committee Communications Director Karen Finney asked in the statement.

A graduate of New York University Law School, Giuliani joined the U.S. attorney's office in 1970 and was appointed U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York in 1983. Giuliani lost his first bid for New York mayor in 1989 -- to David Dinkins -- by the closest margin in city history.

In 1993, Giuliani defeated Dinkins to become the first Republican mayor in two decades. In 1997 he was re-elected by a hefty margin.

After leaving office, he opened his own consulting firm, Giuliani Partners, and campaigned for Republican candidates across the nation.

In May 2000, amid a messy and public divorce, Giuliani announced he would not challenge Hillary Clinton for the open Senate seat in New York because he wanted to focus on fighting early-stage prostate cancer.

Giuliani didn't run for New York's open governorship this year or challenge Clinton in the Senate, which has fueled speculation he is considering a run for the White House in 2008.

According to a recent CNN poll, Giuliani is a favorite among Republican voters or independents who lean Republican.

The survey, conducted October 27-29 by Opinion Research Corp., indicates 29 percent of Republican voters would "most likely" support Giuliani for their party's presidential nomination in 2008. (Read the full poll results)

Runners-up included Sen. John McCain, with 27 percent, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, with 12 percent. The poll of 401 Republican leaning voters had a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percent.

McCain's top adviser, John Weaver, said last week the Arizona senator was considering a run for the Oval Office but had no plans to set up an exploratory committee until next year.

Other names that have been mentioned for the GOP nomination include New York Gov. George Pataki, Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas.

I personally think that this is fabulous news. I've been hoping for the past 2 years that he would run and it's looking like it may happen.

McCain is a d-bag though.

Hampster
November 14th, 2006, 08:23 AM
Definitely one of the more level-headed people to run for president - definitely sad he had to be involved in that whole divorce 'scandal'. It'd be interesting to see how this campaign affects him personally though, if he'll be outspoken or not.

dys
November 14th, 2006, 09:41 AM
He'll lose some of his heroism status as the dirt gets dug, but I think it's great because he's probably got the best chance in shutting down hillary. I like his personality and obviously the way he's handled things in the past, but in all honesty I don't know too much about his 'platform', so it'll be interesting. Personaly I think all he has to get up there and say is "I'm not Hillary. Vote for me."

GhOsT
November 14th, 2006, 09:46 AM
Unfortunately he had to duck out to battle cancer or else he could've done that to Hillary 6 years ago.

hawk
November 14th, 2006, 10:20 AM
If McCain and Giuliani both run, I could see a more conservative candidate taking the primary. McCain and Giuliani would split the moderate vote.

mister reality
November 14th, 2006, 10:25 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QwvsuUzNZes

http://lolsilverstein.ytmnd.com/

schtoofa
November 14th, 2006, 01:38 PM
If McCain and Giuliani both run, I could see a more conservative candidate taking the primary. McCain and Giuliani would split the moderate vote.

agreed

koruptid
November 14th, 2006, 01:48 PM
I don't think they'll both run.

MidnightStalker
November 14th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Giuliani was good mayor, no doubt. His competency as a president, I might question. McCain and Clinton, in my opinion, are both excellent candidates.

larcain
November 14th, 2006, 09:25 PM
If McCain and Giuliani both run, I could see a more conservative candidate taking the primary. McCain and Giuliani would split the moderate vote.

From what i can see, Gingrich is positioning himself for that. That would be interesting. Far Right (Gingrich) versus Far Left (Clinton).

Zogo
November 14th, 2006, 09:36 PM
this guy can't got more than 20 seconds without saying "nine eleven" "nine one one" or "september 11th"

Dr.Gizmo
November 15th, 2006, 02:40 AM
And here I was thinking that any new, political blank cheques written to 9/11 would bounce...silly me.

Moniker
November 15th, 2006, 06:15 AM
Giuliani was good mayor, no doubt. His competency as a president, I might question. McCain and Clinton, in my opinion, are both excellent candidates. Are you fucking crazy? Hillary is a terrible candidate. Nevermind whether or not she would be a good president, she instantly polarizes the vote and there are mass legions of people who hate her with a passion.

It's hard enough to get someone elected that few people really knew about 2 years before the election, but if the Democrats put Hillary up for election, they may as well hand the GOP free reign to put whoever the hell they want in office for 4 years.

PHISH
November 15th, 2006, 12:30 PM
Obama versus Guliani would be a lot better for the country than McCain versus Hillary...

I swear McCain lost all his attractive principles after the repub's chose to back Bush in the primaries back in 2000. He slowly became a total muppet...the final straw was when he even sold out being against torture, something he has consistently been outspoken against as he experienced it himself... and then proceeded to vote for authorizing its use.....christ what an idiot. Just run that as a looped ad if he runs for president. "This man has sacrificed all of his principles"

rasputin
November 15th, 2006, 12:35 PM
I'm glad he's running; at least I know who I won't be voting for for sure now.

FluxCapacitor
November 15th, 2006, 01:33 PM
I goto school in NY and have lived in NJ and NY, I hate Hillary as do most New Yorkers, and I hate Giuliani just as much.

dys
November 15th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Hillary ruined the 90% of NY that isn't "the city".

dook
November 15th, 2006, 01:42 PM
"Vote 9/11
Giuliani 2008"

FluxCapacitor
November 15th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Obama versus Guliani would be a lot better for the country than McCain versus Hillary...

I swear McCain lost all his attractive principles after the repub's chose to back Bush in the primaries back in 2000. He slowly became a total muppet...the final straw was when he even sold out being against torture, something he has consistently been outspoken against as he experienced it himself... and then proceeded to vote for authorizing its use.....christ what an idiot. Just run that as a looped ad if he runs for president. "This man has sacrificed all of his principles"

I dont think Obama is old enough to run for president, he'd get my vote..i love that guy. He spoke at my brothers college commencement, was awesome. The age and being black...both do not help.

Micr0n
November 15th, 2006, 03:56 PM
2 weeks before sept 11 and ppl were lined up in Washington Square Park to throw dog shit at Giuliani's picture for a prize. Many New yorkers are not fans of Giuliani, he was a heartless pompous ass and sept 11 saved his deplorable reputation. At the 9-11 hearings he was booed by many families. Sadly he will be another shallow incompetent person running in couple of years - based solely on his mayoral attributes after the attacks- screaming 9-11 this and 9-11 that.


Many of these dipshit NYer's you speak of are kids they didnt live or dont remember NY when Dinkins\Koch were in. They may not like him or what ever but the fact that NYC is a 1000000 times nicer now then in the 80's isnt even a question.

Micr0n
November 15th, 2006, 05:25 PM
Micron u bum i don't even see u anymore <3

If u like 42nd street looking like Disneyland, then yes he was a great mayor :p

On is watch the city became outrageously expensive and his drive on behalf of corporations to kill small businesses so the former can open bigger and larger a la GAP stores did not earn him any points with the middle class. He did earn points with the rich since he made them safer and neglected the other burroughs, and he did eliminate any uncomfortable feelings they might have encountering homeless ppl by locking the latter up. Oh and i almost forgot, on his watch, u get caught with more than 2 beers in ur system and they take your car away.

Yes NYC did become a safer place ( in some places), but the crime rates dropped throughout the country, in other words: Crime fell all over the US not just NYC because of Giuliani.

Ya i know, no one person can take credit for everything really anyway.

But its not just about crime, how many times have you been here during the 80's and now? Its a different place completely.

Though I did like the 25 cent peep shows.

And lol @ middle class in NYC

1)Upper Class lives in westchester.

2)Middleclass lives in Putman and Dutchess counties about 60 miles from NYC..

koruptid
November 15th, 2006, 05:36 PM
I dont think Obama is old enough to run for president, he'd get my vote..i love that guy.
The minimum age is only 35. Obama is in his 40's, I think.

Zogo
November 15th, 2006, 08:30 PM
The minimum age is only 35. Obama is in his 40's, I think.

I think he's saying he wants an old "experienced" guy with a pacemaker like cheney. cheney's age at least.

Moniker
November 15th, 2006, 11:27 PM
Clinton was 47 when he got elected.

Kennedy was 44 when he got elected.

Obama would be 45 in 2008.

I mean, it's not like Democrats have historically been successful by electing young, charismatic speakers to run for president.

No, no, we should only put guys like John Kerry, Al Gore, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, and...well do I serously have to keep going?

FluxCapacitor
November 15th, 2006, 11:36 PM
I thought Obama was under 35, as long as he is above 35...but it wont matter, he's black, it isnt called the white house for nothing.

munks
November 16th, 2006, 04:06 AM
I hate Hillary with a passion I can not begin to explain, but exactly what has Guiliani done either than stand in NY on 9/11 going "holy shit" like the rest of us? There's no way that Hillary can get nominated when 08 rolls around, maybe Pelosi depending on how this speaker thing works out but Hillary is just too tainted. I can't do a Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton thing, that's just way too fucking ridiculous.

GhOsT
November 16th, 2006, 07:58 AM
There's no way that Hillary can get nominated when 08 rolls around, maybe Pelosi depending on how this speaker thing works out but Hillary is just too tainted.


Never tempt fate in such ways.

dys
November 16th, 2006, 08:18 AM
No, no, we should only put guys like John Kerry, Al Gore, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, and...well do I serously have to keep going?
holy shit the memories LOL

larcain
November 16th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Don't forget Carter, Humphrey, McGovern and LBJ

munks
November 16th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Never tempt fate in such ways.
I know, I'd like to think the DNC is competent enough to stay the fuck away, but they seem just as retarded as ever.

Zogo
November 16th, 2006, 09:18 PM
No, no, we should only put guys like John Kerry, Al Gore, Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, and...well do I serously have to keep going?

john murtha 2008 :cool:

he was for ABSCAM before he was against it.

but exactly what has Guiliani done either than stand in NY on 9/11 going "holy shit" like the rest of us?

he dressed up as a drag queen on SNL..he looked like a big idiot.

don't knock 9/11..politicians will be milking this for at least another 20 years.

munks
November 17th, 2006, 02:47 AM
FluxCapacitor:


What does that say about us as a society?
abe lincoln should have let the south go

~A~
November 17th, 2006, 03:41 AM
Hush munks.

Gr8Shot
November 19th, 2006, 02:06 PM
2 weeks before sept 11 and ppl were lined up in Washington Square Park to throw dog shit at Giuliani's picture for a prize. Many New yorkers are not fans of Giuliani, he was a heartless pompous ass and sept 11 saved his deplorable reputation. At the 9-11 hearings he was booed by many families. Sadly he will be another shallow incompetent person running in couple of years - based solely on his mayoral attributes after the attacks- screaming 9-11 this and 9-11 that.

giuliani wasn't even mayor during 9/11.

i lived a block from washington square park most of my life and i can say that giuliani sure did alot of good for the city simply by just looking at the change in my old neighborhood. before wsp used to be full of vagrants and drug addicts, once giuliani came in he placed a mobile police station in the middle of the park and since then it's become alot more lucrative.

nyc is one of the safest big cities in the world right now and it wouldnt have been so had giuliani not been mayor.

either way i think both him and hilary are ok candidates. a better change from the current administration.

~A~
November 19th, 2006, 02:27 PM
giuliani wasn't even mayor during 9/11.

If you really live in NYC, I feel bad for NYC.

Gr8Shot
November 19th, 2006, 05:48 PM
well yea, because giuliani paved the way (imho.) look at how much crime decreased from before giuliani till he left and compare that with bloombergs numbers.

im just saying he was considered one of the better mayors of ny a long time before the 9/11 thing happened.

and i meant around the time of 9/11, i just remember he still lingered around the whole 9/11 subject way after he gave up his mayoral position, i dont even think ground zero had even stopped smoking when he left his post. he was already on his way out and i remember him milking 9/11 in order to maybe try and get a third term. regardless of that i still like him just as most new yorkers do. other then the whole crime thing i was too young to know much else about his politics.

Breaker
November 19th, 2006, 06:03 PM
I've decided that I will only vote if Obama runs. At least he's level headed. I will move to brazil if hillary is elected

mag
November 20th, 2006, 02:12 PM
How anyone can even consider Mrs Hillary Clinton for President, I don't know. I'd like to see someone else that leads a little more toward the liberal side run. She's too far left for me. Although McCain and Guiliani both lean to the right, I think they're great candidates.