A request for the bored...

[Esoteric_Illuminati]

I figured I'd bring my request here because I know alot of ya'll like to fool around with banners/grafix and whatnot in your free time. I have a request for banner image(s) for some karaoke dj friends. They are called "Jan & Skip Karaoke" and their motto is simply: "We be partyin'!"

If any of ya'll had some downtime to whip up a banner/image incorperating the name and motto, you'd have my thanks. If not, thats cool, we'll make due...I just know alot of you guys come up with some really cool images.

Thanks in advance.

[Ignatz]

I will do a banner image for $40.

[C-Aim]

rofl for $40 you should hand draw it and deliver it to his home personally.

[Esoteric_Illuminati]

lol yeah thanks, but its not really that important. That is why I kinda directed this to "the bored"...I was kinda looking for something no more significant than many of the signature banners ya'll use here and just whip up in a few mins while you are bored and have nothing better to do. I figured eh, might as well ask and see if there were any takers, nothing to lose by asking really. No big deal really, thanks though :)

[dook]

$40 sounds fair :/

[polarity]

rofl for $40 you should hand draw it and deliver it to his home personally.

Why? Graphic design ain't cheap, bud.

[C-Aim]

Why? Graphic design ain't cheap, bud.

It was clear from the post that the guy was just looking for a quick non-pro job (or at least it was clear to me when I read it). Probably wouldn't take more than a half hour. Requesting $40 is like asking for $80/hr. From the standpoint of somebody requesting the banner that is insane IMO.

[Anonym]

Fine, then. Make a banner.

[Nine]

It was clear from the post that the guy was just looking for a quick non-pro job (or at least it was clear to me when I read it). Probably wouldn't take more than a half hour. Requesting $40 is like asking for $80/hr. From the standpoint of somebody requesting the banner that is insane IMO.You would pay someone to work for half an hour on a design?



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[Anonym]

I don't understand this requirement of a specific duration of time needing to be fulfilled before payment is given. If person A needs a service, and person B can provide it, person A shouldn't be unwilling to pay for the service, even if it's an easy task for person B. Just because it's easy for person B doesn't mean it's easy for person A: otherwise, person A would do it himself/herself.

[C-Aim]

I wouldn't pay anybody for a computer generated image of anything; mainly because I have no need for it, but also because IMO I would only pay for an originally drawn design (either by computer w/ drawing pad or other means), not one where the person rips images off of the web, incorporates them, and then tries to sell it. However we are not talking about what I would do.

I am sure what I said struck a cord with all you graphic design hobbyist/professionals who are all upset that people don't want to pay for designs, but the guy wasn't looking for a professional job so saying "I'll do it for $40" isn't really helpful in any way for this thread. Had he said "I am looking for a professionally made banner and I need a quote" then it would have been appropriate.

As to the post above, a rate/hr is a reasonable assessment of payment for services.

[Ignatz]

Guess what shit for brains. I wasn't looking to be "helpful." If someone wants a banner designed, then $40 is a reasonable rate. If someone wants to come in here and get stuff for free, then they can get lost. So can you.

[C-Aim]

Then why reply? He obviously wasn't looking to pay. Therefore it is of no interest to you. Unless of course this is the "Smack's graphical designs" board, in which case I guess I am wrong.

[Ignatz]

Last week, someone posted in here asking for a logo design. I said I would do it and named my fee. The thread got deleted in about 2 hours, but the person still emailed me and has already paid me what I was asking for, and more.

The point of my reply was not to be an ass, but to point out that if you ask for a graphic service, and have no expectation of giving anything in return, the only ass is you. Unless you happen to be another dickhead who feels he has to post in the thread to stick up for the cheapskate. In which case there are two asses. Ass.

[polarity]

I wouldn't pay anybody for a computer generated image of anything; mainly because I have no need for it, but also because IMO I would only pay for an originally drawn design (either by computer w/ drawing pad or other means), not one where the person rips images off of the web, incorporates them, and then tries to sell it. However we are not talking about what I would do.


Holy fuck, you're dumb.

[Nine]

He replied for the same reason you did: to argue.

[C-Aim]

I am not sticking up for anybody. Do you see me trying to solicit service for him or doing it myself (if I could, which I can't)? Nope, you don't.


Of course there is the added bonus of seeing so many people get all pissy about it. Wasn't my original intent but *shrug*

[Anonym]

I wouldn't pay anybody for a computer generated image of anything; mainly because I have no need for it, but also because IMO I would only pay for an originally drawn design (either by computer w/ drawing pad or other means), not one where the person rips images off of the web, incorporates them, and then tries to sell it. However we are not talking about what I would do.

Some people do original work. Perhaps you haven't met those people, because those are the people who get paid for their work.

[C-Aim]

Some people do original work. Perhaps you haven't met those people, because those are the people who get paid for their work.

As well they should.

[q]

Unless of course this is the "Smack's graphical designs" board, in which case I guess I am wrong.

it is

[Anonym]

As well they should.
So then why would Smack asking for money give you pause, when he is an artist who designs original work?

[C-Aim]

I can't believe I am still posting in this thread... I need better things to do.

The reason is that the thread starter was clearly asking for somebody to do a quick image, and had no intention of buying one, so replying with a price is counterproductive. Plus it gives the thread started a false hope when they see a reply, which always annoyed me in forums for some reason, especially in request threads of any kind (and yes I know that makes me a huge hypocrite for carrying on in this thread with everybody else). Plus, most people who call themselves "graphic designers" on the net who don't have their own websites with sample works are usually the kind of people who "make" images by ripping off other images from google and using photoshop tools to assemble it.

Was it an overreaction? maybe. Of course I didn't called smack an ass or anything of the sort in my first reply so the reaction I received was unnecessary.

[Anonym]

I think you're missing the point, C-Aim. It seems that it's fashionable to ask artists - even those that are talented - to give work away for free, based on the time consumed in designing the work. The retort is almost always that the designer finds it easy, or that it takes a short amount of time, so it's obvious the work should be given for free. That is inaccurate: if there is a want or need, then a monetary value can be placed on that need. If the monetary value to those asking for help is $0.00, then there is no real want or need, at least to those interested in getting compensation for their work.

Some people do things for free. That's a favor, not an expectation. For some (and I'm not attacking Esoteric here, but rather you, C-Aim) to get upset because services aren't being provided for free is quite childish and ignorant.

[Ignatz]

Perhaps I was rude about the whole thing. It's a message board, you know. But there was nothing wrong with me asking for $40 to begin with, anyway. If I say that every time, and 1 out of 10 times the person says yes, then what the hell? It makes no less sense than asking people on a TFC message board to design a banner for your friend's dumb karaoke webpage.

[senor-turkey-lurkey]

paid in popcorn shrimp

[q]

But there was nothing wrong with me asking for $40 to begin with, anyway.

$40 sounds like a pretty good price to me

[Griffith-]

$40 sounds like a pretty good price to me

I agree

[DaRkK]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4197/webeju3.jpg

$50 via paypal please

[Griffith-]

way too many outlines

[q]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4197/webeju3.jpg

either you are not using pixel fonts anymore, or you forgot to use an anti-aliasing method

[M.Karnage]

Am I the only one who agrees with C-Aim here?

Everybody is trying to argue with him by saying graphic design is a valuable service, which he is clearly not denying...he is merely saying that EI was looking for someone who was bored and wanted to volunteer. I do agree that quoting him prices is unncessary at this point.

I am way too bored at work...

[DaRkK]

either you are not using pixel fonts anymore, or you forgot to use an anti-aliasing method

verdana ftw

[Nine]

WE BE DARTUIN!

edit: is that kulite on the left?

[polarity]

I think it is.

[dys]

Holy shit this thread

lol

what the hell just happened?

[DaRkK]

i shocked everyone with my illlllll skilllllz of photoshop

[Griffith-]

I think it is.


It is. It was one of the pictures he posted in that other thread. His "Day tripping" or whatever.

[senor-turkey-lurkey]

Plus, most people who call themselves "graphic designers" on the net who don't have their own websites with sample works are usually the kind of people who "make" images by ripping off other images from google and using photoshop tools to assemble it.

Yeah that's pretty much graphic design.

[thrash_head]

Good save dark!

[lunar]

popcorn chicken > popcorn shrimp

[Ignatz]

popcorn > popcorn chicken > popcorn shrimp

[aXeman]

For the record, I posted about someone making me a business logo...smack responded with a dollar amount...someone made a few responses about would I work for free etc etc...no I wouldn't.

I emailed smack, he told me his price and what I was getting, I sent him payment even before he asked and he did an awesome job, exactly what I was looking for.

Oh, and I deleted that thread, I didn't want to get boot-fucked by the "artists" in this forum.:p

[Esoteric_Illuminati]

Guess what shit for brains. I wasn't looking to be "helpful." If someone wants a banner designed, then $40 is a reasonable rate. If someone wants to come in here and get stuff for free, then they can get lost. So can you.

Heheh, seriously, it wasn't that big of a deal. I apologize and admin can delete this thread anytime if he deems necessary.

On a side note though, I remember back in the day when I was clanning, I had several people whip up clan signatures/banners for us to post around and never was it a big deal and never did anyone ask for anything. Things must've really changed these days if ya'll are charging to even make forum signatures and stuff! Does Mulchman get royalties everytime someone uses his face? I am sorry, I did not mean to insult the bonafide graphics designers here. I was hoping my intial post would indicate that I wasn't looking for a professionally designed logo or anything, we have that already, amongst other things. This was something simply meant to be for fun and laughs.

I don't spend that much time on the computer anymore, and I have never done anything with graphics so I figured I'd see if anyone was interested here since frankly alot of ya'll are just bored high school/college kids with active imaginations, creativity and alot of time on your hands. I get a kick out of alot of the sigs and macros I see on this forum. That and some of you spend so much time editing pictures and making fun of other people here (i.e. intensity, etc.) I don't see how asking here would be inappropriate to try and put those minds to use. That's why I asked this so-called (non)"TFC" forum. If someone was willing to offer up their time voluntarily, they would certainly have my thanks. Of course, if you want(ed), I could also provide kudos and your website (if any) for free advertising as well.

Wasn't meaning to rile ya'll up, if it was something important, yes, then I would go to a local graphics designer and work with him to get something specific and pay the $$$ for it. lol I didn't think it would hurt to ask, and obviously I'm ignorant to the taboo of such request here. I understand Smacks point as well that it doesn't hurt to offer up his professional services with a price quote. Of course I politely declined and that was that. No need to get attitude after that though =\

The one image I got out of this thread was more than enough for a great laugh for my friends and me; thank you DaRkK! I for one acknowledge your ill skillz ;) The rest of you guys...I'm just disappointed.

[Anonym]

Wait wait wait: you're disappointed with us because of what? That we're not willing to do something for free? There wasn't anything wrong with you asking, but you shouldn't be upset that nobody did anything for you.

Honestly, I think we're all just tired of and too busy to do stuff for free any longer. As I said, we've all heard the advertising promises, and they don't work as well as money, heh.

So anyway, you didn't do anything wrong by asking. Where you got into "bad" territory is where you got upset that we didn't make something for you. That's not our responsibility.

[Esoteric_Illuminati]

Wait wait wait: you're disappointed with us because of what? That we're not willing to do something for free? There wasn't anything wrong with you asking, but you shouldn't be upset that nobody did anything for you.

Honestly, I think we're all just tired of and too busy to do stuff for free any longer. As I said, we've all heard the advertising promises, and they don't work as well as money, heh.

So anyway, you didn't do anything wrong by asking. Where you got into "bad" territory is where you got upset that we didn't make something for you. That's not our responsibility.

You especially disappoint me Anonym. *shakes head*

[Anonym]

What? Please explain.

[Nine]

I think he's disappointed in how everyone is reacting to his quite innocent request.

[Anonym]

And I don't think anyone here said it wasn't innocent.

[lunar]

http://www.duvien.com/images/stories/blog/designer.gif

[adamantium]

....

[Jackal_]

rofl lunar

[senor-turkey-lurkey]

HEAR YE! HEAR YE!

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/7392/internetscopysr3.jpg

[Anonym]

Lunar didn't make the image.

[Nine]

That certificate is quite... comical?

[senor-turkey-lurkey]

The award stays with me then.

[Nine]

It's comical n0r.. come on.
comical?
come on.

[senor-turkey-lurkey]

ninez i know what you want me to say and it's not going to happensans

[Platypus]

hi senor :)

[senor-turkey-lurkey]

platy :)

[kulite]

lol that's awesome