Earth-like Planet Found

[dys]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=450467&in_page_id=1965

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070424/D8ON8OSG0.html


Pretty freakin sweet.

[Leofric]

And of course, the alien believers are swarming all over this. Silly people.

[Griffith-]

Pretty cool article. Very Interesting

[rasputin]

And of course, the alien believers are swarming all over this. Silly people.

Yeah, it's real illogical to consider that there *may* be life other than ours in an infinitely expanding universe with billions upon billions of other galaxies. Seriously, that the hell are they thinking?

[Streetwolf]

Good find!

[AGT-Shady]

"Until now, all 220 planets astronomers have found outside our solar system have had the "Goldilocks problem." They've been too hot, too cold or just plain too big and gaseous, like uninhabitable Jupiter.

The new planet seems just right - or at least that's what scientists think."


Very cool read, but this line cracked me up, the scientific mind at a Pre-K level. :)

[sani]

Yes, dys, I'd love to move there and start a little family of mexican midgets.

[dys]

It's got something like twice the gravity, that's doable!

[ass*assassin]

And of course, the alien believers are swarming all over this. Silly people.

yeah..a and just a few generations ago, our sun was the center of the universe.. the oceans fell off into nothingness, and man was never meant to fly..

to even consider that there isn't life elsewhere, considering the billions of galaxies, and the billions of stars within those galaxies, is sheer madness.. it may or may not be on par with us, ahead of us, or it might even be microbial in form. who is to say until we are able to put behind our differences here on earth, and reach out towards the stars, where we are meant to go.

[C-Aim]

And of course, the alien believers are swarming all over this. Silly people.I suggest you preempt them by coyly suggesting that they are wrong before the facts are in... oh wait.



They suggested that it could potentially be a water-world. It would be interesting to see the kind of aquatic life that exists if this is the case (assuming there is life there). I wonder if it would be more "exotic" compared to our ocean life; especially when you consider the kinds of fish that live in Earth's deep ocean. Interesting stuff.

[AGT-Shady]

If they've got Kevin Costner over there we need to forget about them and move on.

[Telos]

As cool as this is, people need to realize that its not like we can pack up and move on over there. Mars is considered a habitable planet, but no one is living there anytime soon. This planet jsut has a similar temperature range and capability of having a proper atmosphere.

[Repair Man]

WAIT, YOU MEAN 20 LIGHT YEARS ISN'T A TRAVERSABLE DISTANCE???? I WAS JUST ABOUT TO PACK ALL MY SHIT AND LEAVE.

No one said we were going to fucking move there. All that was said is that an Earth-like planet was discovered, and people are merely reflecting on how goddamn awesome that is.

[sani]

Dys and I are moving there :[

[Skins]

"Until now, all 220 planets astronomers have found outside our solar system have had the "Goldilocks problem." They've been too hot, too cold or just plain too big and gaseous, like uninhabitable Jupiter.

The new planet seems just right - or at least that's what scientists think."


Very cool read, but this line cracked me up, the scientific mind at a Pre-K level. :)

The Daily Mail is seriously the worst newspaper...

It probably has a substantial atmosphere and may be covered with large amounts of water - necessary for life to evolve

I like this.

[Milosenpotion]

I don't get why those are considered required for life to exist...that's pretty retarded of scientists

[sani]

"After the formation Earth was a pockmarked planet of roughly uniform composition and had an early atmosphere of mainly hydrogen (H2). Then radioactive heating began to melt the interior and the core was formed. Now this heating had as a consequense that degassing from the planets interior created a second atmospere rich in water (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), methane (CH4) and Ammonia (NH3). When the surface had cooled enough intense rains began to fall and created the oceans.

It is generaly believed in science that this "prebiotic soup" as it is called is where life originated. The famous Miller-Urey experiment duplicated the conditions of early Earth in a laboratory (Orgel, 1994). In a self-contained apparatus an "atmosphere" consisting of hydrogen, water, methane and ammonia was created above an "ocean" of water. These gasses were subjected to "lightning" in the formof an electrical discharge. They found that 10% of the carbon (C) in the system had converted into organic compounds and 2% of this carbon went on to make amino-acids, the buildingblocks of our carbon-based life."

[Milosenpotion]

Key there is carbon-based life :p If people believe the universe is big enough to have life originate on other planets, shouldn't it also be believable that other forms of life aren't bound to the same early evolution as our planet's?

[leg]

While it is a nice find, don't jump to conclusions yet...

The Earth-like planet that could be covered in oceans and may support life is 20.5 light years away, and has the right temperature to allow liquid water on its surface

On a side note... I wonder what the Bible says about life on other planets. :)

[tyson^cool]

Milos you are right, but we are looking for forms of life similar to us. Since thats all we know at this point and we're retarded.

[Tone-Loc]

20 lightyears? Damn, we could be there in just over 30 days doing a respectable Warp Factor 5. ;)

[C-Aim]

On a side note... I wonder what the Bible says about life on other planets. :)

The Bible actually gives us the necessary elevations and times of the year to look out into space and find other planets with intelligent life but Scientists don't read it. It really is a shameful loss to the science community.

[Yukfo0]

I cant tell if that is a joke or not lol

[Gr8Shot]

The Bible actually gives us the necessary elevations and times of the year to look out into space and find other planets with intelligent life but Scientists don't read it. It really is a shameful loss to the science community.

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[AntioK]

Key there is carbon-based life :p If people believe the universe is big enough to have life originate on other planets, shouldn't it also be believable that other forms of life aren't bound to the same early evolution as our planet's?



Thank you for bringing that up, i have felt the same way for a very long time. I always thought it was arrogant as hell for scientists to say "Water is required to sustain life" when what they really should be saying is "water is required to sustain life on earth"

If people want to go ahead and believe that life exists elsewhere, i don't see why its so hard for those same people to believe that were not all tied to the same requirements to survive.(hypotheticly)


As far as the topic at hand, yes this is an absolutely awesome find. I love reading news like this.

[Vr_]

hey.... we as a planet are still young. just amagine the things to come hundreds of years later. thousands. millions... the sun aint going to burn out any time soon. think of the possibilities

[Cent]

If they've got Kevin Costner over there we need to forget about them and move on.

haha

[Streetwolf]

Thank you for bringing that up, i have felt the same way for a very long time. I always thought it was arrogant as hell for scientists to say "Water is required to sustain life" when what they really should be saying is "water is required to sustain life on earth"

If people want to go ahead and believe that life exists elsewhere, i don't see why its so hard for those same people to believe that were not all tied to the same requirements to survive.(hypotheticly)


As far as the topic at hand, yes this is an absolutely awesome find. I love reading news like this.

Well there's billions of other places around with non-earth-like conditions and we still haven't found life on them. So it's reasonable to conjecture that the conditions found on earth are the required ones for life to exist.

[Hellz-Angel01]

hey.... we as a planet are still young. just amagine the things to come hundreds of years later. thousands. millions... the sun aint going to burn out any time soon. think of the possibilities

just cause the sun don't burn out for a long time doesn't mean that we'll be here for millions or thousands of years. But of course we just might be here that long so who knows!

[dook]

I wish 2012 would just get here, which is when in a new breakthrough scientists find 38 different planets all supporting life, bringing the expected number of planets with life in our galaxy to some 100 million, and the religious right shuts their mouths for all of six months.

[unfy]

The earth is flat.

[ass*assassin]

The earth is flat.

no,the earth WAS flat..then, there was anna nicole smith.. and now it is dust..

[Leofric]

Yeah, it's real illogical to consider that there *may* be life other than ours in an infinitely expanding universe with billions upon billions of other galaxies. Seriously, that the hell are they thinking?

yeah..a and just a few generations ago, our sun was the center of the universe.. the oceans fell off into nothingness, and man was never meant to fly..

to even consider that there isn't life elsewhere, considering the billions of galaxies, and the billions of stars within those galaxies, is sheer madness.. it may or may not be on par with us, ahead of us, or it might even be microbial in form. who is to say until we are able to put behind our differences here on earth, and reach out towards the stars, where we are meant to go.

I suggest you preempt them by coyly suggesting that they are wrong before the facts are in... oh wait.



They suggested that it could potentially be a water-world. It would be interesting to see the kind of aquatic life that exists if this is the case (assuming there is life there). I wonder if it would be more "exotic" compared to our ocean life; especially when you consider the kinds of fish that live in Earth's deep ocean. Interesting stuff.

guys I'm sure Elvis is there waiting for us to rescue him to bring rock and roll back to life.

[Vr_]

just cause the sun don't burn out for a long time doesn't mean that we'll be here for millions or thousands of years. But of course we just might be here that long so who knows!

this is true. but looking into the future the only way i can see humans not being here in 100+ years would be because of a nuclear world war or something like that. maybe a meteor but... :rolleyes:
but it is kinda neat to think what they'll come up with in 100 years from today.
my take: i think in 2107 $1 million dollars would be pocket change for everyone. yah!

[Redneck]

The Bible actually gives us the necessary elevations and times of the year to look out into space and find other planets with intelligent life but Scientists don't read it. It really is a shameful loss to the science community.

Vault.

[Mexi]

On a side note... I wonder what the Bible says about life on other planets. :)


Why would this be included in the bible? There are plenty of reasons for including and excluding certain things, relevant to different times. There are plenty of things the bible doesn't touch on, and I'm really not sure what your point is.


I WONDER WHAT THE ATHEISTS GUIDE TO DISINTEGRATION SAYS ABOUT ALIEN LIFEEEEE HAHA THEY R SO RONG

[unfy]

Vault.

Indeed rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nine]

I wish 2012 would just get here, which is when in a new breakthrough scientists find 38 different planets all supporting life, bringing the expected number of planets with life in our galaxy to some 100 million, and the religious right shuts their mouths for all of six months.what are you talking about?

[Telos]

I am still working on Noremorse's response and wtf that is supposed to mean.

[sani]

This thread just took a left towards whatthelivingfuckville, USA

[Mexi]

I wish 2012 would just get here, which is when in a new breakthrough scientists find 38 different planets all supporting life, bringing the expected number of planets with life in our galaxy to some 100 million, and the religious right shuts their mouths for all of six months.



what?

[Streetwolf]

Is that referring to that supposed time traveler dude years back who told people what would happen in the near future?

[ass*assassin]

This thread just took a left towards whatthelivingfuckville, USA


reminds me of yogi berra doing an Aflack commercial..

[rasputin]

2012, during the winter solstice, is when the ancient Mayan calendar abruptly stops after being dead-on accurate for centuries. Some scholars feel it will be a time of enlightenment when, basically, things just click together and we have a better understanding of the universe.

I personally feel they got tired of writing the dates of this calendar and just stopped as 2012.

[odin]

Even though it may be 20 light years away and only possibly habitable, it's really exciting to think that there may be a future beyond life on this planet. Maybe we won't fuck it up like we did to this one.

[Streetwolf]

2012, during the winter solstice, is when the ancient Mayan calendar abruptly stops after being dead-on accurate for centuries. Some scholars feel it will be a time of enlightenment when, basically, things just click together and we have a better understanding of the universe.

I personally feel they got tired of writing the dates of this calendar and just stopped as 2012.

Oh ya. That.

[C-Aim]

I am still working on Noremorse's response and wtf that is supposed to mean.

Apparently he believes that Elvis is alive and living on another planet. Seems pretty crazy that he believes that yet doesn't think life on other planets is possible. :D




I don't think scientists are suggesting that there can ONLY be carbon based life on other planets. But carbon based life is kind of what we know. It would be foolish to look at every planet and try to say, "I wonder if nitrogen based life is there," and then spend valuable time trying to find the answer. When they find a planet like this one that satisfies some basic requirements for life I think it is more valuable (time-wise) to try to figure out if life is there. I guess what I am trying to say is that I don't think scientists say that life must be carbon based, just that this planet *might* have carbon based life because it has some of the necessary building blocks.

[rasputin]

I am still working on Noremorse's response and wtf that is supposed to mean.

I'm pretty sure he's just dumb.

[Vr_]

This thread just took a left towards whatthelivingfuckville, USA

thats because someone had to bring religion and the bible into it =(
this thread sucks now =\

[Mexi]

thats because someone had to bring religion and the bible into it =(
this thread sucks now =\


Basically. And the way he did it made the two completely unrelated. Maybe there will be a new thread in the academy.

[Hellsy]

If you believe life must be carbon-based, I've actually heard it called "Carbocentrism".

For those interested.

[enek]

It's got something like twice the gravity, that's doable!


"white aliens cant jump"

[polarity]

Even though it may be 20 light years away and only possibly habitable, it's really exciting to think that there may be a future beyond life on this planet. Maybe we won't fuck it up like we did to this one.

That's a lot of assumptions. Here, let's make a list:

1) It actually is inhabitable
2) We, as a species, survive long enough to become capable of human transport to that planet
3) We actually decide to colonize it
4) There isn't some intelligent, indigenous life form waiting to bash the living fuck out of us

[sani]

I'm thinking of something along the lines of either a C.Thomas Howell in Soul Man looking creature or just clones of Michael Clarke Duncan's running around and the entire planet sounds like Atlas in surround sound.

[dys]

To continue that thought, I would prefer there to be just clones of Michael Clarke Duncan's head, with arms and legs coming straight out of it, running around on all 4's. Sign me the hell up for that trip.

[C-Aim]

I cant tell if that is a joke or not lol

If you really can't tell that that is a joke then all hope is lost.


*waits for somebody to say that Yukfo0 was kidding and therefore I am an idiot

[Tone-Loc]

I can't remember if this was just some sci-fi show/movie or some actual scientific theory, but I seem to recall some scientists stating that the next best element that some other forms of life could evolve out of is silicon.

But like I said, that may be some random memory without any merit. Anyone else hear of that before?

EDIT: D'oh, I should have done this first... found a website... http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/siliconlife.html

[decap]

Why would this be included in the bible? There are plenty of reasons for including and excluding certain things, relevant to different times. There are plenty of things the bible doesn't touch on, and I'm really not sure what your point is.


I WONDER WHAT THE ATHEISTS GUIDE TO DISINTEGRATION SAYS ABOUT ALIEN LIFEEEEE HAHA THEY R SO RONG
It probably has a substantial atmosphere and may be covered with large amounts of water - necessary for life to evolve



The Bible is funny :]

[Mexi]

It probably has a substantial atmosphere and may be covered with large amounts of water - necessary for life to evolve



The Bible is funny :]


I agree, the Bible is funny if you interpret it literally, like you shouldn't. Or if you listen to people who preach said view, which it looks like you do.

[ohman]

If you believe life must be carbon-based, I've actually heard it called "Carbocentrism".

For those interested.
Carbon Chauvinism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_chauvinism) is the more often used term.

[SoulEdge]

stop reading wikipedia and go back to king james you

[NecMo]

http://truesizeofoutworld.ytmnd.com/

[C-Aim]

The xbox controller made me lol

[albator]

You know if we find extra terrestrial life forms, they're gonna want to be our friends. But not in a good way though, kinda like in high school when you're nice to the nerdy kid cause you feel bad that everyone was being so mean to him, but he takes your kindness as a sign that you want to be his friend. Then he wont leave you alone and is always throwing ideas at you for what you guys should do for the weekend. And you're all like yeah that sounds cool but uh I gotta help my mom with some stuff this weekend. And like he starts telling all the freshmen girls that you guys are like best friends and you're like wtf?

Thats exactly what it would be like if we found aliens. Except instead of telling freshmen girls we're best friends they would be telling all of our domesticated animals.

[Hellz-Angel01]

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[Jimyd]

I can guarantee you that when i traveled in time, the planet was inhabitted by vembots.

[Jarek]

There is a lot of stuff that would be very different about that planet. They didn't mention any moons, so if there is water there would be little in the way of tides. They mentioned it might not rotate at all, meaning weather (if occuring at all) would be very odd, one side probably sub zero temperatures, the other in the range of what they estimated i assume. It would be permanantely daytime in the light side too, lol. Think about trying to play baseball there, the fields would have to be like 120ft to the fence, everything would drop hella faster.

[Frag]

There is a lot of stuff that would be very different about that planet. They didn't mention any moons, so if there is water there would be little in the way of tides. They mentioned it might not rotate at all, meaning weather (if occuring at all) would be very odd, one side probably sub zero temperatures, the other in the range of what they estimated i assume. It would be permanantely daytime in the light side too, lol. Think about trying to play baseball there, the fields would have to be like 120ft to the fence, everything would drop hella faster.

if it didnt rotate at all, wouldnt that mean that the day would turn from night to day over the 13-day revolution around the red giant?

so basically 1 year = sun rises, sun falls = 13 earth days

or is it the case that the planet is facing the star the same way throughout its revolution?

[polarity]

or is it the case that the planet is facing the star the same way throughout its revolution?

Do you mean if the same side of the planet faced the sun throughout the revolution? Because that would imply a gradual rotation.

[FaLsE_Ph-]

I heard that the planet's gravity was a few times stronger than ours on Earth due to it's mass and density. If we did make it out there we'd have to be in pretty good shape I suppose or if there was life out there they'd be pretty strong.

[Jimyd]

You think arnold swatcheznager could be the planets representative. He is a strong man after all. ;)

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