NHL Awards handed out

[TheJTrain]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2904878

Hart - Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh
Vezina - Martin Brodeur, New Jersey
Norris - Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit
Jack Adams - Alain Vigneault, Vancouver
Calder - Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh
Selke - Rod Brind'Amour, Carolina
Lady Byng - Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit
Pearson - Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh
Masteron - Phil Kessel, Boston
King Clancy - Saku Koivu, Montreal

Luongo gets move MVP votes than Brodeur, but Brodeur takes the Vezina for best goalie. Nothing too surprising overall, I figured the two goalies would cancel each other out in the Hart race.

[goldplatypus]

nothin surprising there

[MightyMouse]

Howd kessel get the Masteron, because he has 1 nut now?

[RuGCutt3R]

pretty much, and he came back to play after it

[eminent]

i didnt see brodeur play much this last season, but how does he beat luongo? luongo was the only reason the canucks made the playoffs and then the 2 round...

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

How could you give the Vezina to Luongo? Brodeur was better than Luongo in all 4 major statistical categories by which goalies are measured: Wins, GAA, SV% and shutouts. The playoffs doesn't matter when it comes to these trophies.

As for MVP, I don't really think you can put one over the other because both of their teams would be completely fucked without them. I'm in the vast minority that thinks that the winner should have been somebody who wasn't even nominated - Vincent Lecavalier. Crosby had more points, but is a defensive liability, doesn't hit and doesn't kill penalties. Lecavalier does everything possible on the ice except for playing goalie.

[MightyMouse]

i didnt see brodeur play much this last season, but how does he beat luongo? luongo was the only reason the canucks made the playoffs and then the 2 round...
This is why you are an idiot

Brodeur had 12 fucking shutouts this year, he won more games the Philly won at home.

[Repair Man]

How the hell did Vigneault win the Jack Adams? That doesn't even make sense.

[MightyMouse]

I believe vancouver set record amount of points and maybe wins this year?

[ruker]

Norris - Nicklas Lidstrom, Detroit

Woot! Had a feeling he was going to edge out Scotty Neidermeyer And Chris Pronger.

[Repair Man]

I believe vancouver set record amount of points and maybe wins this year?

Lindy Ruff coached the Sabres to the President's Trophy despite being without seven starters for over a month of the regular season.

Michael Therrien coached the Pens to the 4th best season-to-season point improvement in league history.

Vigneault is a great coach, but the other two candidates were much more deserving IMO.

[ons]

The adams award usually goes to the team with the most improved team, and a case could be argued for the pens (the sabres were already good and ruff won it last year), but vigneault completely changed vancouver's system and broke a franchise record for wins. Brodeur won it because it dominated statistically and broke the record for most wins in a season. The Selke trophy shoulda gone to Pandalfo though, (Pahlsson if playoffs were considered).

[b-buddy]

YEAAAAAH 3 PENS AWARDS

[RuGCutt3R]

I don't really judge teams on franchise records for points or wins...now that you get points for ties even if you lose in the shootout and there is always 2 points in a shootout. Not like before where if you lost, even in overtime you didn't get a point.

[eminent]

brodeur played in one of the worst divisions in the league besides the pens. i just think the league likes playing favorites then they know there not making a huge mistake.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

Four of the five teams in the Devils' division made the playoffs, so I'm going to go with a resounding "no" when you say it was one of the easiest divisions in hockey. It was easily the toughest division in the East and you can make make a very strong case that it was tougher than the Central, which had 2 good teams and 3 putrid ones.

The remaining teams in the Devils' division scored 21 more goals and the Eastern conference scored 228 more goals over the course of the year, so it's not as though Luongo faced better offenses.

And no offense, but you saying "i just think the league likes playing favorites then they know there not making a huge mistake" is just bullshit. First off, it's voted on by General Managers, not the league, and secondly, it was something like the 2nd closest vote in Vezina history.

[sw_vile]

yay Lidstrom & DatsyuK

[ons]

lol brodeur had better stats playing in the east where most of the leagues top scorers play (crosby lecav etc), whereas Luongo played in the northwest (probably the tightest division) which most teams emphasized defense (IE the wild).

[9h0st]

the reason why eastern conference teams scored more goals is because the only defense first team in the east is new jersey, so instead of the games being 2-1 like they were in the west, they were 5-4 because both teams were offense first
also, new jersey was 2-6-2 vs the west and vancouver was 8-1-1 vs the east which meant that teams that are defense first/trap have a better chance of winning against teams that are offense first than another team who is also defense first

[SoulEdge]

because 10 trials are enough to draw conclusions from

[eminent]

it took less points to make the playoffs in the east. i guess in general the west was a bit better this year. you play weaker teams you get better numbers. it is based on numbers tho and brodeur had better numbers so he probably deserved it, but im just taking into consideration overall play. i think if you took luongo out of vancouver they dont go nearly as far, but if you take brodeur off the devils, they still do decent. again, like i said i didnt watch him much last year so its just my 2 cents.


makes sense it was a close race i just stated that i think the wrong guy won it. brodeur is a favorite among anyone, and rightfully so. hes one of the best to ever play.

i guess its not won in the playoffs either.

[ons]

the reason why eastern conference teams scored more goals is because the only defense first team in the east is new jersey, so instead of the games being 2-1 like they were in the west, they were 5-4 because both teams were offense first
also, new jersey was 2-6-2 vs the west and vancouver was 8-1-1 vs the east which meant that teams that are defense first/trap have a better chance of winning against teams that are offense first than another team who is also defense first

You just destroyed your own argument by using NJ vs west. NJ is more defensive minded than almost any team in the league and traps more (2nd is minnesota).

[MightyMouse]

Four of the five teams in the Devils' division made the playoffs, so I'm going to go with a resounding "no" when you say it was one of the easiest divisions in hockey. It was easily the toughest division in the East and you can make make a very strong case that it was tougher than the Central, which had 2 good teams and 3 putrid ones.

The remaining teams in the Devils' division scored 21 more goals and the Eastern conference scored 228 more goals over the course of the year, so it's not as though Luongo faced better offenses.

And no offense, but you saying "i just think the league likes playing favorites then they know there not making a huge mistake" is just bullshit. First off, it's voted on by General Managers, not the league, and secondly, it was something like the 2nd closest vote in Vezina history.

lol brodeur had better stats playing in the east where most of the leagues top scorers play (crosby lecav etc), whereas Luongo played in the northwest (probably the tightest division) which most teams emphasized defense (IE the wild).

This is exactly what I said to you the other day eminent, maybe you will smarten up since other people agree with me. Also, how would you bring playoffs once, congradulations on luongo and brodeur getting knocked out in the 2nd round, winning 1 game each? Atleast brodeur shut out tampa in the first round I assume. This could warrant some type of argument if luongo brought vancouver to the cup, but it still wouldnt matter for the actual trophey.

You say the wrong guy won it, and then say Brodeur is the best to ever play, with is true, as he showed it this season. Nobodys saying Luongo is bad, and they would be an idiot to do so, but Brodeur had the better season.

The Vezina is for the best goalie, if you bring up the argument about taking Luongo out and vancouver would be absolute shit, your talking MVP

[9h0st]

You just destroyed your own argument by using NJ vs west. NJ is more defensive minded than almost any team in the league and traps more (2nd is minnesota).

? what im saying is that nj did poorly against the west and vancouver did well vs the east and if vancouver and nj swapped conferences, luongo would probably get more wins than brodeur and win the vezina

[ons]

? what im saying is that nj did poorly against the west and vancouver did well vs the east and if vancouver and nj swapped conferences, luongo would probably get more wins than brodeur and win the vezina

Your post indicated that the records of west vs east showed that the west would win more head to head vs east but in ur last post u claim luongo would win more than brodeur? first NJ is a better team and far more experienced at the Defensive game than vancouver is.

[9h0st]

if the vancouver and nj played more games against the other conference(like 15, so each team in the league plays all other teams at least once) then im pretty sure luongo would have more wins than brodeur seeing as vancouver did so well against the east whereas nj did poorly against the west, which means luongo would probably have more wins that brodeur and win the vezina.
and like you said, nj is probably the most defensive minded team in the league, it wouldn't be hard for brodeur to get good stats when you have 5 guys infront of you all clogging up the middle ice

[Mario]

Staal over Malkin imo

[ons]

if the vancouver and nj played more games against the other conference(like 15, so each team in the league plays all other teams at least once) then im pretty sure luongo would have more wins than brodeur seeing as vancouver did so well against the east whereas nj did poorly against the west, which means luongo would probably have more wins that brodeur and win the vezina.
and like you said, nj is probably the most defensive minded team in the league, it wouldn't be hard for brodeur to get good stats when you have 5 guys infront of you all clogging up the middle ice
I can understand what your saying but I dont think you can say just because a western team played well against the east for like 5 games (an extremely small sample space for stats) that you can extrapolate that and say if they played more they will win more. Other teams have tried to do what NJ does, Vancouver this season is heavily defensive minded, and if you look up the stats im pretty sure brodeur faced more shots. As for it being easier to win the vezina on a defense first team, you never seen minnesota's goalie win a vezina.

[ruker]

nj is probably the most defensive minded team in the league, it wouldn't be hard for brodeur to get good stats when you have 5 guys infront of you all clogging up the middle ice

Yep. Almost same situation why Guiguere is so "good". Then again when everyone shoots the puck right at your chest its hard not to stop the puck, hehe.

[9h0st]

brodeur had 13 more shots against, but he also played 2 more games, so their shots against are pretty close
also, i cant remember where i saw the stat but nj was the least penalized team in the league whereas vancouver was somewhere around the middle, so being a man down a lot more didn't help luongo's stats
in the 10 games vancouver played against the east, vancouver dominated 3 games, showed how effective trapping was against a powerhouse team in ottawa, and almost beat buffalo with danny sabourin in net
the reason why no wild goalies won the vezina is because they had decent GAA/save%, but didn't have the wins

[ons]

Vancouver plays a d oriented game but they dont trap. They just plain outworked ottawa when they played them. Minnesota was right behind vancouver in the close northwest division this season, and recently minnesota has either been ahead or slightly behind vancouver in the past years. And when shots faced + save % are close, you look at shutouts and brodeur has way more than luongo.