CHRIS BENOIT AND FAMILY found dead intheir homes? WTF?

[greenbeard]

Talk about a bummer. His wife, son, and himself all killed in their home.



This guy was what was good about rasslin'. As much as rasslin' has been annoying recently, I allways loved watching this guy work. He was a true stud, and ultra popular wether he was face or heel. This comming on the heels of that dumbass vunce mcmahon death angle is very disturbing.

[sw_vile]

Bummer ;/ RIP

[puppychow]

i cant believe this irony! clearly someone has a vendetta against wrastlin. i plead with the authorities to capture this evil do-er. how many more of our wrestling stars must perish??

chris, elton really said it best. you SIR were like a candle in the wind.

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

After reading this, I searched for Google for one of those wrestling news sites and it said that Benoit left last night's PPV because of a "family emergency" even though he was scheduled to wrestle.

I haven't watched wrestling in years (the storylines have gotten so ridiculously stupid), but this really sucks. RIP.

[Vengeant]

As a former representative of the WWE, I can assure you that this is NOT part of a plot line.

Truly a horrible situation- even WWE doesn't know anything yet regarding details, they have to wait like everyone else pending the police investigation, but it's more than likely a multiple homicide. =/

[Vr_]

Mcmahon did it!


stages his own death.. disapears for a little while with not trace.. benoit & family dead.. hmmmmm vince?????

[puppychow]

looks like might be real..i think. oops at my first mocking comment. lol?

[5KA]

Just caught this on the news. Police think it could be a murder suicide.

[sparkz]

Just caught this on the news. Police think it could be a murder suicide.

Did they say who killed who?

[Jomma]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitdead

any other links? ones from wwe.com dont count

[5KA]

Did they say who killed who?

Nope. They were pretty brief about it. They're so much into the Jessie Davis murder right now so yeah.

[Vr_]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitdead

any other links? ones from wwe.com dont count


FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. - WWE wrestler Chris Benoit, his wife and son were found dead Monday and police said they were investigating the deaths as a homicide.
Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department said the three were found at their home about 2:30 p.m., but refused to release details.
Pope said results of autopsies on Benoit, his wife Nancy, and 7-year-old son Daniel were expected Tuesday.
Benoit, 40, was a former world heavyweight champion, Intercontinental champion and held several tag-team titles over his career.
"WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family's relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy," the federation said in a statement on its Web site.
Benoit was scheduled to perform at the "Vengeance" pay-per-view event Sunday night in Houston, but was replaced at the last minute because of what announcer Jim Ross called "personal reasons."
Benoit, a Canadian native, maintained a home in metro Atlanta from the time he wrestled for the defunct World Championship Wrestling.
The WWE canceled its live "Monday Night RAW" card in Corpus Christi, Texas, and USA Network aired a three-hour tribute to Benoit in place of the scheduled wrestling telecast.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070626/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead

[MassacrE]

If it ends up being a murder suicide I guess the WWE will feel pretty stupid considering they're doing a 3 hour special on what a great guy he was.

[Jomma]

If it ends up being a murder suicide I guess the WWE will feel pretty stupid considering they're doing a 3 hour special on what a great guy he was.


qft

[Redneck]

Either way it's pretty shitty no matter what circumstances. He was one of my favorite wrestlers too.

[caedere]

Very sad news, RIP Benoit, you'll be missed

[-Serialchilla-]

Either way it's pretty shitty no matter what circumstances. He was one of my favorite wrestlers too.

^

[bravE]

#1 rule in wrestling. You ALWAYS show up for your matches or events ESPECIALLY A PPV CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH. I knew something was definetly wrong when he didn't make his ppv match last night, I really can't believe this a fucking double murder suicide....WHAT THE fUCK., gah im in shock still. :(

[Fivestar]

Vince came on earlier on Raw to talk about the situation. I'm pretty sure they put an end to his stupid storyline about dying in the limo weeks back. But they are saying the deaths of Benoit, his wife and kid is double murder-suicide. That's pretty fucked up. If that is true, it won't take them long to identify which one of them were the shooter (most likely Benoit or Nancy his wife).

[-Serialchilla-]

yeh, i just read this part on abc news:

Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department told ABC News that Benoit had missed several appointments over the weekend, leading concerned parties to ask police to do a "welfare check." When sheriffs arrived at the Benoits' home, they found the wrestler, his wife and their son dead.

There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."

Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but he would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found. Pope added the department is "not actively searching for any suspects outside of the house."

An autopsy has been scheduled for Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. However, it could be weeks before there is a result.

I want to believe it wasn't chris, but all the signs are pointing to it.

[puppychow]

roid rage

[xero]

I just recently heard from an informed friend that it looks like it was a murder suicide for which Benoit was personally responsible.

This upsets me even though I haven't watched a single episode of wrestling of any kind in many many years. I remember him as the Canadian Crippler back on WCW way back when I actually used to watch. He was always a class act.

It's a truly sad.

RIP Chris Benoit and his family.

:(

[vladimir]

he was one of my favorites when i actually watched.

You will be missed Chris.

I love the crippler crossface!

[bravE]

How do you kill not only your wife...but your 7 year old son ? Wow, just wow. WWE just did a 3 hour tribute for this guy... I was a fan, but that's pretty sick..and if it's true I cannot be a fan of his anymore.


Department reported to ABC News that sheriffs entered his home on a "welfare check" after missing several appointments, leading to concerns.[85] Pope also stated the police are not searching for any suspects outside of the house, as the instruments of death were located at scene of the crime.[86]

The same day Detective Bo Turner of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department told television station WAGA-TV that the case was being treated as a murder-suicide, and the station reported that investigators believe that Benoit murdered his wife and son over the weekend and commited suicide sometime on Monday. [87]


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[greenbeard]

This is so fucked up. I can't begin to describe.

[necro]

Here is proof that this demented fuck killed his child and wife and took his life. I hope he spends an eternity in hell

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitupdate

[public_slots_free.mL]

what a POS!

[JimtheMagicalHamster]

I rescind my "RIP" and change it to a go fuck yourself. How could you kill a 7 year old child, you fucking piece of shit.

[dys]

Am I the only one wondering if he suplexed them?

[AGT-Shady]

^Just stop, we've got a motorcycle into a Taco Bell and a feet-less girl thread for that.

[dys]

So what separates one from the others in 2 flammable forums? Have you had a bad experience with suplexxing? Quite honestly, this guy was an asshole for doing what he did, don't stick up for him.

And I was asking an honest question, read some of the articles: Details of the deaths "are going to prove a little bizarre" when released to the public, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

[greenbeard]

Am I the only one wondering if he suplexed them?

Yes. Now that I've answered your question, shut the fuck up.

[Killian]

He got them with the crossface I tell ya.

I still do want to know how he did it though.

[dys]

Yes. Now that I've answered your question, shut the fuck up.

Yes, let's take a moment of silence for this guy who just killed his wife and 7 year old. So it's ok to pick on MY favorite footless girl but the second some WWF star that's graced the stage during your rasslin' era you want to camel clutch me? Figure 4 frisbee drop comin' in i'm sure.

[sani]

Camel clutch, man good times.
This..not so good times.

[[GoW]DarkLight]

from cnn breaking news


A law enforcement official close to the investigation tells The Associated Press that pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

It's one thing if you wanted to mock him (not saying I agree with it) but it's another to mock his innocent wife and child who he apparentally killed by asking if they were suplexed.

[NecMo]

so it was a mix of a chokehold and a bonzai drop, not a suplex

[sani]

According to TMZ (uhhhh), they said that he strangled his wife and the next day was watching wrestling with his son (maybe he was alive). Sad stuff.

[azul]

You can despise and condemn the man all you want, but I have serious doubts that he was mentally stable at the time. This wouldn't be the first case of steroid-induced depression and aggression.

It still is very fucked up though.

[OhGr]

I always been a long time fan and supporter of all major wrestling events and I seen benoit wrestle couple of times and he was really amazing. I wish there was more details on all of it and what exactly happen, kind of need some closure but I will wait on the news.

I know the drama of the wrestling sometimes gets crazy but if this is another setup which I HIGHLY doubt it's sad to see they would go as far as this to make money, lots of people look up to these wrestlers as icons and idols, I do not but some do.

wish they could bring the giant back and have a hogan vs giant rematch me and my grandpa would have a good time seein that lol .

[greenbeard]

Yes, let's take a moment of silence for this guy who just killed his wife and 7 year old. So it's ok to pick on MY favorite footless girl but the second some WWF star that's graced the stage during your rasslin' era you want to camel clutch me?

This guy was an icon for many years, up until this past weekend was one of the most liked and admired performer in the biz.


Here's a quick shit on your arguement:

1. motorcycle guy was a helmetless retard.
2. foot girl was terribley maimed but will live.
3. Wife and kid of Benoit... uhh... hmm.

It's one thing if you wanted to mock him (not saying I agree with it) but it's another to mock his innocent wife and child who he apparentally killed by asking if they were suplexed.


Okay Dys, this might make it a bit more plain for you, NOW shut the fuck up. I admired the wrestler, not the douche who killed his family.

[dys]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:O4LeIWCZK2mtUM:http://www.canadastarboxing.com/wwe-talent/chris-benoit.jpg

[puppychow]

This guy was an icon for many years, up until this past weekend was one of the most liked and admired performer in the biz.


Here's a quick shit on your arguement:

1. motorcycle guy was a helmetless retard.
2. foot girl was terribley maimed but will live.
3. Wife and kid of Benoit... uhh... hmm.




Okay Dys, this might make it a bit more plain for you, NOW shut the fuck up. I admired the wrestler, not the douche who killed his family.


for someone who dishes out a ton of shit (and admitedly most of it hillarious) you certainly are being a bit sensitive on this one....wait, maybe he is human...

[Mercenary-VD]

You can despise and condemn the man all you want, but I have serious doubts that he was mentally stable at the time. This wouldn't be the first case of steroid-induced depression and aggression.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but roid rage doesn't exist, it's a myth. We can go over this more if you'd like.

[greenbeard]

for someone who dishes out a ton of shit (and admitedly most of it hillarious) you certainly are being a bit sensitive on this one....wait, maybe he is human...

Lies. I just need reprogramming.

[H-Town]

http://jaydale.com/deadoit.jpg

[dys]

oh shi

[Milosenpotion]

I agree completely with dys. And this guy was no icon lol. He was a skilled wrestler though.

[puppychow]

at least he got a hat trick...

(runs away scared)

[Ignatz]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but roid rage doesn't exist, it's a myth. We can go over this more if you'd like.

oh please oh please go over this more. Be sure to illustrate it with plenty of details of your own steroid use. I need a good laugh today.

[UsTeD]

HAI GUYZ WRESTLING IS SERIOUZ BIZNESS

i'm guessing he used:

http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/guam.jpg


well atleast on his wife


Go cry more GB

[puppychow]

"Authorities also said they are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths of Benoit, his wife and their 7-year-old son. Steroid abuse has been linked to depression, paranoia, and aggressive behavior or angry outbursts known as "roid rage."

but i guess they couldn't possibly play a part? all indications are he was GENERALLY a good guy - perhaps 'roids created his mr hyde?

[Mercenary-VD]

oh please oh please go over this more. Be sure to illustrate it with plenty of details of your own steroid use. I need a good laugh today.

As a non-user I can't satisfy your request. However, I do have a fair bit of experience with steroid users and I have done my fair share of reading. Of course if you've had the former and are competent it doesn't take much time to realize that many steroid users seem lack the compensating mechanisms necessary to be, what I would consider, mentally healthy. Would you like more detailed examples or is that enough?

[puppychow]

ur not qualified to be an authority on the subject, period. get a phd and ill listen.

[Mercenary-VD]

but i guess they couldn't possibly play a part? all indications are he was GENERALLY a good guy - perhaps 'roids created his mr hyde?

Please find me official medical research documents dated within the last five years that acknowledge steroids as causing any of the above symtoms. You probably won't find one that holds any water or hasn't been abandoned because of improper testing and/or logical fallacies. The whole 'roid rage thing was popularized by the media and shady reseach done between the 1960's and early 1990's. Of course the police are going to say that, they aren't any more informed than you.

Edit: On the other hand there are a wealth of documents and case studies out that elaborate on why roid rage is a misconception.

[Mercenary-VD]

ur not qualified to be an authority on the subject, period. get a phd and ill listen.

Yes, great arguement. You are so much more qualified so please explain to me how steroids caused Benoits other side to gain control of his body then proceed to strangle his wife and suffocate his child.

[puppychow]

im sure introducing large amounts of hormones, chemicals, enzymes, especially those related to agression have NO effect :/ but ill get ur sources mr...oh yes i will.

[MystiKaL]

am i the only one that suspects murder from outside the benoit house? i mean it wouldnt take much for a professional to frame benoit for these murders. i guess that whole innocent until proven guilty thing doesnt exist anymore, they havent even done the autopsies yet for fucks sake.

i'm really trying to understand why police officers are ruling out the possiblility of someone other then a double murder/suicide and are spouting all over the headlines these accusations without any form of proof..

[Suicidal Anomaly]

am i the only one that suspects murder from outside the benoit house? i mean it wouldnt take much for a professional to frame benoit for these murders. i guess that whole innocent until proven guilty thing doesnt exist anymore, they havent even done the autopsies yet for fucks sake.

i'm really trying to understand why police officers are ruling out the possiblility of someone other then a double murder/suicide.

Yeah I think you are. I'm not saying it's not possible but I'm guessing the officers are ruling that out after actually having been in the house at the scene. Those guys are professionals too and it's not real easy to cover up a triple homicide.

[Mercenary-VD]

am i the only one that suspects murder from outside the benoit house? i mean it wouldnt take much for a professional to frame benoit for these murders. i guess that whole innocent until proven guilty thing doesnt exist anymore, they havent even done the autopsies yet for fucks sake.

i'm really trying to understand why police officers are ruling out the possiblility of someone other then a double murder/suicide.

I imagine it's because they are letting evidence do the talking. Benoit and his wife were known to police because his wife had previous filed reports to the police citing physical and mental abuse. Furthmore they'd already had divorce issue which may have at the time been resurfacing. Plus, it would be pretty hard to hang a guy like Benoit from the ceiling, ya?

[Mercenary-VD]

im sure introducing large amounts of hormones, chemicals, enzymes, especially those related to agression have NO effect :/ but ill get ur sources mr...oh yes i will.

You know as well as I do (or maybe you don't) that it's never been proven that testosterone leads to aggression.

[MystiKaL]

I'm just saying, we (and by we i mean everyone) should all just wait for the evidence to come out before jumping to conclusions.

I see ESPN is doing their part to exploit the story as a way of pushing for more steroid laws and regulations even though i already thought it was strictly illegal.

edit: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

Apparently it's been updated with more "details" (they found prescription anabolic steroids in his house)

[caedere]

One of the most common misconceptions regarding the side effects of anabolic steroids is known as ‘roid rage’. There seems to be little or no evidence such a condition actually exists. Some early studies done have shown a slight correlation between manic symptoms and anabolic steroid use,[66] however more comprehensive and recent studies have brought into question their methodology and conclusions. The majority of recent studies done on "angry behavior" and anabolic steroid use show no psychological effect, implying that either "roid rage" does not exist or that anabolic steroids' effects on aggression are too small to be measured. Harvard researcher Harrison Pope, M.D. stated “With regard to the ‘roid rage’ issue, my first reaction as a scientist, obviously, is that ‘roid rage’ is a meaningless term that simply arose in popular parlance”. Many scientists and medical professionals have concluded anabolic steroids have no real effect on increased aggressive behavior. Wikipedia never lies! :p

[Suicidal Anomaly]

I'm just saying, we (and by we i mean everyone) should all just wait for the evidence to come out before jumping to conclusions.

I see ESPN is doing their part to exploit the story as a way of pushing for more steroid laws and regulations even though i already thought it was strictly illegal.

edit: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

Apparently it's been updated with more "details" (they found prescription anabolic steroids in his house)

You talk about jumping to conclusions are you're already sounding like a conspiracy theorist. All any one can go on is the multiple news outlets that say the police officers who have been there are saying it looks like a murder suicide.

[Mercenary-VD]

...even though i already thought it was strictly illegal.

Nope, they aren't 'strictly' illegal.

[puppychow]

Yes, great arguement. You are so much more qualified so please explain to me how steroids caused Benoits other side to gain control of his body then proceed to strangle his wife and suffocate his child.

3 minutes....continue, or all these sources poppycock?

http://bipolar.about.com/od/causes/a/bpsteroid1.htm

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/520.html

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/steroids.asp

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/aug19/corrigan/corrigan.html

other POSSIBLE things to consider - weve seen more and more stories about how concussions in sports can lead to depression and mania in ppl later...a factor?

[SteelValor]

I'll give Hillary 15 seconds to connect this to the WWF/E video games.

[MystiKaL]

You talk about jumping to conclusions are you're already sounding like a conspiracy theorist. All any one can go on is the multiple news outlets that say the police officers who have been there are saying it looks like a murder suicide.

I'm just not ruling out the possibility of a multi-billion dollar corporation being capable of doing such things. However, he more then likely did commit the murders, it just hasn't been proven yet.

[[GoW]DarkLight]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but roid rage doesn't exist, it's a myth. We can go over this more if you'd like.

I don't think it exists to that extent (murdering your family). But when I was in college I took a cycle of Andro and 19-nor and I definetly was a much angrier person that month. If throwing a microwave and kicking a bunk bed off isnt roid rage then i dont know what is

[CZ_]

anecdotowned

[Mercenary-VD]

3 minutes....continue, or all these sources poppycock?

I'm glad you did all this great research, congradulation. Unfortunately your all inclusive review of medical entries failed to even come up with one, except for that shady ass Brian Corrigan one, which ummm, is from 1996 and doesn't even include any parameters, it also happens to suffer from the exact same problem that most studies on anabolics do -- they fail miserably at identifying and controlling for user characteristics.

Congratulations you found a whole wad of fuck, I certain hope that you didn't try and create an informed opinion from your very fruitful, informative search.

I don't think it exists to that extent (murdering your family). But when I was in college I took a cycle of Andro and 19-nor and I definetly was a much angrier person that month. If throwing a microwave and kicking a bunk bed off isnt roid rage then i dont know what is

I don't want to offend anyone, but the popular concesus right now seem seems to be that the steroid effect is non-existant and that users that fit certain character parameters are the ones that suffer from "roid rage". I don't want to generalize or offend so that's where I will leave it.

[puppychow]

if it takes two seconds to find a ton on links with the google machine when you simply type anabolic steroids depression, id like to think that theres a small shread of truth there.

why you such a defender anyways? it's like you could go toe to toe with someone all day and say smoking doesnt cause cancer yet the research is out there?

[DR. DOOM]

Yes, great arguement. You are so much more qualified so please explain to me how steroids caused Benoits other side to gain control of his body then proceed to strangle his wife and suffocate his child.

Actually you are wrong, steroids do cause rage, as well as pimples, hair to fall out, men to grow breats, woman to grow beards, all while destroying your liver and kidneys. I have weight lifted for about 20 years and I have seen all types use steroids. You are correct not all people experience rage but uncontrollable rage is a symptom of steroid abuse. You shouldn't talk like you are an authority on something you obviously know nothing about.

http://men.webmd.com/guide/anabolic-steriods


"Steroids Can Cause Extreme Mood Changes
Steroids can also mess with your head. Homicidal rage can come from how steroids act on the brain. That's right. Non-violent people have been known to commit murder under the influence of these synthetic hormones.

Your moods and emotions are balanced by the limbic system of your brain. Steroids act on the limbic system and may cause irritability and mild depression. Eventually, steroids can cause mania, delusions, and violent aggression or "roid rage.""

[bayz]

none of you have yet to provide a credible academic, scientific, or medical journal post-2000 saying "roid rage" exists.

[Yesbama]

h-town ftw

[DR. DOOM]

none of you have yet to provide a credible academic, scientific, or medical journal post-2000 saying "roid rage" exists.


I figured webmd would be credible enough but here are some more. It's not too hard to find, lol...
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/hmsteroids.htm

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/steroids.asp

http://www.nida.nih.gov/PDF/NNCollections/NNSteroids.pdf

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/anabolicsteroids4.html

:rolleyes:

[MightyMouse]

I work with a guy who knew him preety well, he said he was never this type of a person, and is completely shocked this happend

[bergenhell]

how could steroids not fuck with your chemical balances? any time you inject hormones into your body it's going to have an effect.

[Mercenary-VD]

Actually you are wrong, steroids do cause rage, as well as pimples, hair to fall out, men to grow breats, woman to grow beards, all while destroying your liver and kidneys. I have weight lifted for about 20 years and I have seen all types use steroids. You are correct not all people experience rage but uncontrollable rage is a symptom of steroid abuse. You shouldn't talk like you are an authority on something you obviously know nothing about.

Yes, I see I know nothing about steroids, infact because I'm 22 and have been alive for almost less time then you've been working out you also probably more of an authority on everything then me. Could I ask the extent of your professionalism? Also, thank you for the information brochure on steroids, I didn't realize they could cause gynecomastia, impair liver and kidney function or cause acne, because of course, that is all relevant to the subject at hand.

With all of your vast experience I wonder if you have ever encountered someone who underwent this incredible transformation? I'd love to see the circumstances of where a soft-hearted, non-violent, fun loving individual all the sudden losing complete control over his/her body and goes on a violent rampage.

I'm not trying to act like an authority, I'm trying to make people think outside of what they were on fox news or from friend their pal 'frat curls' who just had a close encourter with roid rage while doing bicep curls in the power rack next to some banging blond.

[Vengeant]

While I won't get into the argument, here's my inside information:

the night everything happened,Benoit had used a combination of Steroids and/or over the counter drugs. toxicology reports wont be ready for another 2 weeks for official results, but this information came from a former colleague over there.

[Mercenary-VD]

I figured webmd would be credible enough but here are some more. It's not too hard to find, lol...

Actually, I don't think any of those would hold water. None of them are cited, and infact, if you read through your third one I think you'd be a little disapointed.

I like how the NIDA-funded studies turn up with NIDA desired results. I esspecially like the portion of the third article that entails one of the test subjects, who just so happened to be a college level competitive athlete found himself wanting to beat up his opponents, or the other part where the other uncontrollable subject felt compelled to follow a guy in his vehicle for a few miles after being cut off. That's a great study the NIDA did, I wonder why they failed to cite its ISBN? Maybe you could find it for me?

[OhGr]

so what ur saying is steroids doesn't cause any of the issues like flip outs yet dating back before you was even a thought in ur dads sack people who "abused" steroids had these crazy flip outs.

I think you would be good working for a company that supports smoking saying second hand smoke isn't bad and say nothing has proven to hold water to support these crazy ideas that it is.

I can't sit here and have a huge discussion on why steroids do or don't cause these aggressive flip outs but it's been done before by ppl using same type of shit and it's common in all the ppl. So why are ppl on steroids flipping out cause it possibly cannot be the drugs has to be something else... maybe their dicks vanished who knows.

[Mercenary-VD]

I can't sit here and have a huge discussion on why steroids do or don't cause these aggressive flip outs but it's been done before by ppl using same type of shit and it's common in all the ppl. So why are ppl on steroids flipping out cause it possibly cannot be the drugs has to be something else... maybe their dicks vanished who knows.

You hit the nail on the head, exactly, maybe it's because their dicks vanished. Well you weren't exact but you got the general idea, a pre-existing condition dating back before the user started steroid intake.

I have yet to see a steroid user who didn't flex in the mirror for an hour a day suffer from depression during an off cycle. Why? Because the guy is insecure, he's got low self esteem and doesn't know any other way. It's go big or go home. He's on his off cycle his strength is down 3 to 5 percent, he's feeling a little deflated, more tired than usual and he's also lost some weight. The guy doesn't have the mechanisms necessary to deal with this kind of stuff. The problem isn't the steroids, it's the guy.

Also, I've yet to see a guy experience roid rage who wasn't a little antsy to begin with. What do I mean by antsy? I mean a little on edge, over the top, pretty aggresive, too over confident in public and overly secure in his physical presence. These guys who have battles with roid rage are the same guys who had battles all throughout high school either personal or against someone else. I guess it just so happens that because they use steriods today that they are no longer in control when they make that snide comback or overly aggressive gesture.

[OhGr]

but you do agree that the use of them is having a negative effect and possibly making it so these ppl cannot control this outburst of aggression regardless if the drug itself causes the anger or not it has to be making an impact to prevent them from making a better judgement that even small children know right/wrong.

it's an inbalance, I had to deal with it in my own house with my mother when I was a teenager granted it doesnt make me a scientist or an expert but it's clear what can help "pull the trigger" in a person when normally they wouldn't ya know.

[Mercenary-VD]

but you do agree that the use of them is having a negative effect and possibly making it so these ppl cannot control this outburst of aggression regardless if the drug itself causes the anger or not it has to be making an impact to prevent them from making a better judgement that even small children know right/wrong.

it's an inbalance, I had to deal with it in my own house with my mother when I was a teenager granted it doesnt make me a scientist or an expert but it's clear what can help "pull the trigger" in a person when normally they wouldn't ya know.

I'll admit that the people who have these problems have pre-existing conditions. In my last post I wasn't saying that steroids illict these reactions I'm saying the people who suffer these problems already had the problems to begin with. If a violent person uses steroids and stays violent it's not the steroids fault that he's violent. The same goes for someone who is angry or for someone who acts out.

I play sports, I get angry often, I enjoy violent movies, throughout my teen years I told both my parents to "fuck off" many a time. I have outbursts when I play sports, I like to win, I have outbursts when I play video games, I like to win. Once in high school during a soccer game I knocked a guy out, I am confident, I push alot of weight on a weekly basis, I like competition more than anything else. Throughout high school I got in fights for no specific reason, I go balistic regularily during training sessions when someone fucks up or slows me down. I am not a steroid user, yet if I was I'm sure I'd be hearing this roid rage shit frequently.

Do you know how many people go through shit with their mothers throughout their teens?

[Insolence]

fucking dickless roid using faggots.

[DR. DOOM]

I do love how you ask for sources then I give you sources and all you do is discredit the sources because the answers you seek are not what you desire them to be. Let's see your documented proof, let it enlighten us all.

Oh and as for my encounters with steroids and their negative effects, (not that you won't try and discredit what I am saying) a good friend of mine takes steroids and has been for about 15 years he has gone from a mild mannered, well liked kid to a loud mouth asswipe that people cannot stand to be around. In fact we hardly talk anymore for said reasons. He also had zits so big they used to look like Quatto coming out to talk to Quaid, as well as extremely elevated liver levels, the doctor said he had the liver of a 60 year old man at the ripe old age of 30. I know quite a few "juice heads" and believe what you want to but the fact is roid rage is real and it does happen.

On top of the said sources and life experiences I have given you I don't know how much more proof you need, oh and btw I think you need to be somewhat off your rocker to be a fucking professional wrestler anyway.

[OhGr]

Do you know how many people go through shit with their mothers throughout their teens?


Yes I do , I should have made my statement more clear. I meant I went through my mother being inbalanced as a teen she was and using all kinds of medication and going to therapists etc.. just saying from her having a chemical inbalance is where I got to see and understand a lot of the mental aspec of the situation cause im no expert just had a lot of home experience with it.

[puppychow]

more goodness...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

get off the juice merc.

[bayz]

I figured webmd would be credible enough but here are some more. It's not too hard to find, lol...
http://www.med.umich.edu/opm/newspage/2005/hmsteroids.htm

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/steroids.asp

http://www.nida.nih.gov/PDF/NNCollections/NNSteroids.pdf

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/Steroids/anabolicsteroids4.html

:rolleyes:

what Mercenary said... basically all this is just brochure stuff about what steroids can "potentially" cause without any scientific backing to verify anything, same shit that puppychow has posted. the only psuedo-viable thing was that Corrigan article posted earlier, but that was done in 1996 when lots of wacky misinformation and ill-conducted studies on steroids were going on.

[Mercenary-VD]

I do love how you ask for sources then I give you sources and all you do is discredit the sources because the answers you seek are not what you desire them to be. Let's see your documented proof, let it enlighten us all.

Oh and as for my encounters with steroids and their negative effects, (not that you won't try and discredit what I am saying) a good friend of mine takes steroids and has been for about 15 years he has gone from a mild mannered, well liked kid to a loud mouth asswipe that people cannot stand to be around. In fact we hardly talk anymore for said reasons. He also had zits so big they used to look like Quatto coming out to talk to Quaid, as well as extremely elevated liver levels, the doctor said he had the liver of a 60 year old man at the ripe old age of 30. I know quite a few "juice heads" and believe what you want to but the fact is roid rage is real and it does happen.

On top of the said sources and life experiences I have given you I don't know how much more proof you need, oh and btw I think you need to be somewhat off your rocker to be a fucking professional wrestler anyway.

The reason I descredit the sources you found is because they aren't journals, case studies or published works they are just pages that don't back up any claim with sourced information.

As for my sources Shalender Bhasin is one of the worlds top authorities on steroids, he's also chief of endrocrinology, diabetes and nutrition at the Boston Medical Center. Specifically I suggest you turn to "The Effects of Supraphysiologic Doses of Testosterone on Muscle Size and Strength in Normal Men". His original work was done in 1996, however I believe it was once again updated, or that he released a totally new work in 2003

Your good friend appears to be a not so good friend, also if what you say is true it appears he himself in uninformed and unitelligent. Personally, I find it interesting that most reports of roid rage go hand in hand with misinformation and the overwhelming belief that testosterone and rage go hand in hand. Apparently your former friend has a heavy case of both, along with his apparently overwhelming sense of self worth he's a recipe for disaster.

I have no doubt about the impact of anabolics on physiologic systems and I agree from that point of view they are dangerous. Also you're definitely right about the wrestling comment, these guys are messed up to begin with.

Yes I do , I should have made my statement more clear. I meant I went through my mother being inbalanced as a teen she was and using all kinds of medication and going to therapists etc.. just saying from her having a chemical inbalance is where I got to see and understand a lot of the mental aspec of the situation cause im no expert just had a lot of home experience with it.

Sorry, my mistake. I thought you meant you had issues throughout high school with your mom while you were using steroids.

[puppychow]

if you dont think steroids negatively affect behavior then you are just sadly naive. you cant mess with body chemistry that much, and with hormones without consequences.

[H-Town]

I'll just say this:

While I definitely agree there's such a thing as "roid rage" and it definitely causes chemical imbalances that, in today's depression-filled world, can cause a person to lash out, I don't know if I've ever heard of "roid rage" being the reason for a double murder-suicide.

[Redneck]

Am I the only one wondering if he suplexed them?

rofl...he could have broke their necks with the crossface. All kidding aside, it's a very sad situation even moreso now. You gotta wonder what could drive a man that far over the edge.

edit: And Merc, why are you defending steroids for any non-medical purpose? And beside that how can steroids not have any emotional and mental side-effects? It's like going through puberty*1000. I play college baseball and there are several guys on my team that juice and I notice a change in their demeanors when they get on it.

[ruker]

Wow, I was surprised to read about this on ESPN.com, then I find out Eddie Gurrero, Mr. Perfect, and the British Bulldog all died from steroid related instances. Even though I doubt any of those deaths out-did Owen Hart's. I guess I'll have to do one more 'Perfect-Plex' to my lil bro for old times sake.

[Thought]

fucking idiot wrestlers.

rip my ass i hope his afterlife is plagued with pain

[Fivestar]

The limbic system is a very important part of your brain along with the hypothalamus and pituitary gland. Taking anabolic steroids or other medication will enter your bloodstream and your bloodstream travels everywhere in your body including your brain (and the areas within your brain that I mentioned). Some of you probably realize what these areas of your brain do or you can google it, but steroid use will definitely affect it and its performance/function.

Roid rage (to an extent) is very possible and most likely exists, but that term to me seems too strong. Everyone's case is different and there can be other factors that stem and will cause an unwanted effect. I'm not saying Benoit's case involves or most likely does not involve steriods and roid rage (because of his planned out actions I read from the timelime), but it's hard to judge when you get to people's brain and their motivation/actions. How drugs act on the body is all part of the pharmacology and physiology of the body and something one can't really deny is untrue, unless you have absolutely no idea how it works.

[Yesbama]

Yes I wouldn't go as far to say that steroids have no alteration effects on the brain Merc. Even if it's a small effect, it may be just enough to push a susceptible person over the edge. Chemical imbalances in the brain are very real. Your body is one huge walking series of chemical reactions. I don't think its right to say that steroids are the one and only cause of such aggression but if you add them to an already unstable condition, it can't help very much.

[bravE]

He killed his wife late friday, early saturday. Then didn't kill his son till 24 hours later, then himself monday. If it was roid rage I think it would've been all at once, and in a different way.

[MeestarK]

Clearly he put his wife in the Crippler Crossface and then gave the Diving Headbutt from the top rope. JR was there ringside for the entire thing.

[ruker]

Who's to say he wasn't in a roid rage when he killed his wife...then a few hours later as depression sets in, he decides hes going to kill his son an ultimately kill himself? We'll never really know I guess, but I sure as hell wouldn't rule out "roid rage".

[Mercenary-VD]

The limbic system is a very important part of your brain along with the hypothalamus and pituitary gland. Taking anabolic steroids or other medication will enter your bloodstream and your bloodstream travels everywhere in your body including your brain (and the areas within your brain that I mentioned). Some of you probably realize what these areas of your brain do or you can google it, but steroid use will definitely affect it and its performance/function.

Dear friend, would you be so kind as to provide me with a comprehensive list of chemicals that in some way or another effect the limbic system after injestion? As well, regarding anabolics and the limibic system I'd be interesting in knowing how exactly anabolics may result in illiciting an uncontrolled rage response in certain individuals. If that definition of roid rage is too strong I'd like to know to what extent anabolics illict a rage response as well as why the impact of anabolics on the limbic system is different from other chemical substance say for example steroidal anti-inflamatories and popular androgens outside of testosterone.

Yes I wouldn't go as far to say that steroids have no alteration effects on the brain Merc. Even if it's a small effect, it may be just enough to push a susceptible person over the edge. Chemical imbalances in the brain are very real. Your body is one huge walking series of chemical reactions. I don't think its right to say that steroids are the one and only cause of such aggression but if you add them to an already unstable condition, it can't help very much.

Maybe my original posts were too extreme. I think indirectly steroids can impact behaviour in specific environments, however I don't believe steroids directly impact someones anger response.

At any rate, if the condition is unstable to begin with who is to say it's the steroids that pushed the guy over the edge. Sure, people have attitude changes while on steroids, but it's not the steroid causing the peoples attitudes to change. The majority of people who use steroids to train don't even compete to begin with. They aren't taking performance enchancing drugs to improve their performance they are taking it to bolster their own egos and alot of times the result of a inflated ego is someone that isn't much fun to communicate with. As I stated before, this is the problem with the majority of studies on steroids, they fail to really consider the person. Instead they'd rather cite something as specific as "changes within the limbic system". Yeah, their are changes in the limbic system while on a steroids, alot of users experience an overwhelming load of hubris throughout the brain.

[blz]

saw this somewhere,
http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l7/NakedReporta/come2daddy.jpg

[bok]

Merc, you're fighting a losing battle. Not everybody has the education to understand a scientific journal.

[Mario]

wow that picture is disturbing..... totally not right.

[Ignatz]

Wrestler was juicing boy with growth-hormone drug

Pro wrestler Chris Benoit apparently was pumping human-growth hormone into his 7-year-old son in the weeks before he killed his wife, the boy and himself at their suburban Atlanta home while consumed by "roid rage," a prosecutor said yesterday...

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/06/27/2007-06-27_tiny_son_got_illegal_boosts.html

gah :(

[greenbeard]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/06/27/2007-06-27_tiny_son_got_illegal_boosts.html

gah :(

It just gets twisteder and twisteder.

[Fivestar]

Dear friend, would you be so kind as to provide me with a comprehensive list of chemicals that in some way or another effect the limbic system after injestion? As well, regarding anabolics and the limibic system I'd be interesting in knowing how exactly anabolics may result in illiciting an uncontrolled rage response in certain individuals. If that definition of roid rage is too strong I'd like to know to what extent anabolics illict a rage response as well as why the impact of anabolics on the limbic system is different from other chemical substance say for example steroidal anti-inflamatories and popular androgens outside of testosterone.

How about this. Can you provide me with your sources to why roid rage does not exist? You spend all this time trying to prove why people are wrong, but you don't give anything yourself to why it can't exist. I'm not gonna spend my time to find you sources or information because I know all you will do is deny it, so what is the point?

What I wrote before didn't even take any research, you learn that from Biology courses. Have you taken Physiology, Biochemistry, and Cell Molecular Biology? In Physiology, one area you break down is the adrenal glands, the brain, etc. In Biochem, you break down cortisol, anabolic steroids, androgens, neurotransmitters, receptors, specific pathways.

One of the main things you learn is that every individual's body act differently and react differently in some way to medication/drugs/surgery/etc. I don't understand how you can deny roid rage not existing in anyone. Apparently you have more knowledge on steroids than I do. I'm done here though since these are one of those arguments where you feel like you're talking to a brick wall.

edit: Did you mean non-steroidal anti-inflammatories? Steroidal is stuff like cortisone and as far as I remember, is not as dangerous as synthetic steroids. I use cortisone in the past for rashes or mosquito bites, etc. But it's topical so it's not being injected directly. It's a lot harder to abuse since you have to use it like all the time or layer it on for it to actually enter the bloodstream. I have no idea what the effects might be if it does, but I assume it can be the same with anabolic steroids, but not to that extent because of the way it can be abused.

[Sutterkane]

http://faggotwrestlerkilledhisfamily.ytmnd.com/

[stas]

I play college baseball and there are several guys on my team that juice and I notice a change in their demeanors when they get on it.

hopefully being the sportsman you are, youve turned them in to the NCAA along with proof of such.

edit: fivestar, merc posted a source as well as a study to look at earlier. just have to search a little bit.

[Telos]

EVIDENCE AND DATA AHOY!!
Scroll down to bottom of post if you don't want to read medical journal excerpts and just want the conclusions.


Well, I just ran a search using my schools (University of Miami School Of Medicine) account on a popular and academically credited search engine. I can't link anything, since its through the schools account and you would need to login with a school ID and password, but I will quote several sources and give dates. By the way, these are all from reputable peer-reviewed journals in the medical community.


First, from Cleveland Clinic Journal of Medicine May 2007 (oh how recent!)
Anabolic steroid abuse: psychiatric and physical costs. Talih F, Fattal O, Malone D.
Physical effects include depression, mania, psychosis, and aggression. Dependence can also occur, with withdrawal involving psychiatric and physical symptoms. Adverse effects of steroid abuse should be managed by discontinuing the drugs-by tapering if necessary-and by treating the symptoms.

The following study was performed in hamsters, however the receptors and compounds involved are found not only in humans as well, but pretty much every other mammal. In other words, the biochemistry is similar enough to humans for a valid comparison to be made.

From Behavioral Brain Research Journal (June 4, 2007)
Repeated anabolic/androgenic steroid exposure during adolescence alters phosphate-activated glutaminase and glutamate receptor 1 (GluR1) subunit immunoreactivity in Hamster brain: correlation with offensive aggression.
Fischer SG, Ricci LA, Melloni RH.

Male Syrian hamsters (Mesocricetus auratus) treated with moderately high doses (5.0mg/kg/day) of anabolic/androgenic steroids (AAS) during adolescence (P27-P56) display highly escalated offensive aggression. The current study examined whether adolescent AAS-exposure influenced the immunohistochemical localization of phosphate-activated glutaminase (PAG), the rate-limiting enzyme in the synthesis of glutamate, a fast-acting neurotransmitter implicated in the modulation of aggression in various species and models of aggression, as well as glutamate receptor 1 subunit (GluR1). Hamsters were administered AAS during adolescence, scored for offensive aggression using the resident-intruder paradigm, and then examined for changes in PAG and GluR1 immunoreactivity in areas of the brain implicated in aggression control. When compared with sesame oil-treated control animals, aggressive AAS-treated hamsters displayed a significant increase in the number of PAG- and area density of GluR1-containing neurons in several notable aggression regions, although the differential pattern of expression did not appear to overlap across brain regions. Together, these results suggest that altered glutamate synthesis and GluR1 receptor expression in specific aggression areas may be involved in adolescent AAS-induced offensive aggression.

Thats the abstract fyi.

Those two were from a quick search. If I actually spent about 15 minutes, I could probably come up with about 20-30 articles with the following conclusions:

Testosterone causes clinically defined aggression.
Anabolic Steroids have a correlation between use and aggression.
Dependence can occur and discontinuation leads to several symptoms, including psychosis.
Mercanary should learn to do his own literature searches and know what he is talking about before opening his mouth.

[-Serialchilla-]

Clearly he put his wife in the Crippler Crossface and then gave the Diving Headbutt from the top rope. JR was there ringside for the entire thing.

No, he took his wife out with an illegal choke, wrapped the line from his weight machine around his neck, then executed the flying headbutt to kill himself.

[bok]

HBO special on steroids for those interested

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8162930835755001242&q=hbo+special+steroids&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[Telos]

I finally went through and read all this thread in its entirety. I only posted my previous informations after reading the first page. Anyways, I can again safely conclude that Mercenary doesn't know shit from shit. With that said, Fivestar pretty much summed up everything correctly (PS fivestar IM me sometime, I never get on IRC anymore because, well I forget too...).

The brain is a delicate system and too much or too little of anything wreaks havoc. People with hypoglycemia will act as if they were drunk, while those with peaked glucose levels can go fucking nuts (nice medical term, I know). Thats just an imbalance in blood sugar. Now imagine you have an imbalance in a hormone which can control blood sugar, other hormone levels, etc. Basically, I can see no way in which one could not take steroids (continuously and with the course that these wrestling guys take) and not suffer some type of neurological deficit.

With that said, I am in no way claiming this guy was suffering from the ill effects of long or short term steroid usage. Its the toxicology reports and autopsy that will determine that. Even if he was depressed or experiencing ill effects, that may not have been the actual trigger to cause him to do this (i.e. perhaps an undiscovered mental illness, or a meth binge, who knows). I am just posting to clear up (hopefully unquestionably) the current medical understanding of steroids and their impact.

[greenbeard]

Here's a blurb about Booker T doing a radio interview about Benoit-

-- WWE superstar King Booker sat down with KHOU out of Houston, Texas today to talk about the Benoit tragedy. Below are some of the highlights.


Booker said that he knew Benoit personally and as most people in the business that knew Benoit have said, commented that he had never seen a bad side of Benoit. He noted that he knew Benoit’s wife Nancy and all of his children. He characterized what has happened as completely "out of the norm and unexplainable." Booker noted that he wrestled Benoit in 75-100 matches and just recently talked to him for about thirty minutes about the wrestling business. "We're all tired at certain points, we work a lot of hours, but I never saw this side of Chris. I've never seen Chris mad. I've never seen Chris angry. He was always the guy with a lot of positive energy, always pushing the guys." He went on to tell a story of a student that came to his wrestling school in Houston, Texas to be trained. Booker said that the student arrived from Illinois, with “no way to go back” and had $800 in his pocket. He revealed that the student carried around a photo of Benoit and Eddie Guerrero with him, as he was inspired by them to pursue a career in professional wrestling. "That was just the type of person he was, always encouraging people. He didn't even know this guy, but that's the type of person he was." Booker commented. When “roid rage” was brought up in the interview, Booker commented, "The media is going to put a spin on it, you know. We know that. WWE knows that. Did the guy last week who murders his wife and kid last week have any form of roid rage? He was a cop. This happens in any form of life. I feel like the human life is a delicate piece of equipment and everyone has their breaking point. We don't know what his breaking point was. You don't know what my point is, I don't know what your point is. We're all human. I just think it was a huge malfunction and whatever it was, we may never know. It's not for us to know. It's out of our hands and with God now." Booker said that the wrestling industry is a huge family and he’s cried and wanted to pull his hair out over the tragedy. He revealed that he loved Chris and said that he is mad to see him "go out like this. I'm pissed at him in certain ways. I wish I could just hold him for a second, but it's out of our hands. I'll be there at the funeral and tell him goodbye and hopefully see him on the other side. Hopefully, I'll find out what happened one day."

I'm guessing alot of these guys are going to try to protect his wrestling image, no matter what. Kinda hard not to, I'm sure... it seems like a pretty seedy bizz in general, and these deaths these past few years are shedding light more than ever before.

[Vengeant]

I'm guessing alot of these guys are going to try to protect his wrestling image, no matter what. Kinda hard not to, I'm sure... it seems like a pretty seedy bizz in general, and these deaths these past few years are shedding light more than ever before.

i will preface this by saying none of this is an excuse for Benoit's actions. its not really a 'seedy' business, just requires a horrific amount of dedication, endurance, and strong will on the part of the wrestlers.

you have to consider how horribly physically and emotionally strained these guys and gals get, especially the main card wrestlers.

every professional sport known to man runs in seasons- the athletes get an off season, a break. these wrestlers, stars of 'sports entertainment', have no seasons, no breaks. thier 'competitions' never end- year round, almost every day they are punishing thier bodies and minds. they perform almost every day. they get no rest, sans a major injury. they are constantly travelling, often on very little sleep. they very rarely get to see thier families. holidays? they are performing.

its not a business for the weak, but even the strong can cave to things like pain killer addiction after such a taxating schedule, like Kurt Angle (but that's another story entirely).

edit:

When he won the world heavyweight championship in 2004, Benoit (pronounced ben-WAH) hoisted the belt over his head and invited his wife and child into the ring to celebrate. Asked by the Calgary Sun that year to name his worst vice, Benoit replied, ``Quality time with my family is a big vice. It's something I'll fight for and crave.''

[greenbeard]

Anti-depressants mixed with anything seem hot recently, and yes, the stress levels of some of these people must be insane. The only time they get off is when they get seriously injured, which is quite a bit. WWE's 'wellness policy' was a joke from the start, mainl;y due to its only reason for existance is to cover management's asses from the stock holders.


Stock holders in WWE, man that's fucking hilarious.


Anyway, I personally doubt steroids are responsible, directly anyways, but that's what speculation is for. I have to think they contributed to his mental state, if mixed with other crazy shit.

He might have been just dumber than a fence post however; trying to fix his kid by shooting him up with human growth hormone is whacky. I wonder who the fuck told him that might repair 'fragile x syndrome' (if that was even why he injected in his son to begin with)?

[Redneck]

hopefully being the sportsman you are, youve turned them in to the NCAA along with proof of such.

You betchya. And they'll get in trouble just like the legions of pro and collegiate ballplayers that get in trouble for it too.

On a more serious note, did anyone notice on the WWE statement how quick they were to state that the actions were pre-meditated and didn't seem to show evidence of roid rage?

[Mario]

ATLANTA - In the days before pro wrestler Chris Benoit killed his wife and child and hanged himself, the couple argued over whether he should stay home more to take care of their mentally retarded 7-year-old son, an attorney for the wrestling league said Wednesday.

"I think it's fair to say that the subject of caring for that child was part of what made their relationship complicated and difficult, and it's something they were both constantly struggling with," said Jerry McDevitt, an attorney for World Wrestling Entertainment. "We do know it was a source of stress and consternation."

McDevitt said the wrestling organization learned from the couple's friends and relatives that the Benoits were struggling with where to send the boy to school since he had recently finished kindergarten.

He also said Benoit's wife didn't want him to quit wrestling, but she "wanted him to be at home more to care for the kid. She'd say she can't take care of him by himself when he was on the road."

The child suffered from a rare medical condition called Fragile X Syndrome, an inherited form of mental retardation often accompanied by autism, McDevitt said.

Over the past weekend, authorities said, Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with a weight-machine cable in the couple's suburban home. No motive was offered for the killings, which were discovered Monday.


http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2007/06/27/700869.html&cvqh=itn_wwebenoit

im sure its true since it seems comcast just takes others news articles

summary
wife wanted him to take care of kid more. kid is retarded.

[Telos]

I didn't know the kid had fragile X. That explains why he was juicing him. Sad thing is, that wouldn't have had any effect on the kids muscle tone :( . Most retarded kids actually have increased muscle mass, but this is a completely different condition.

[Toastie]

It just gets twisteder and twisteder.

actually doctors do it all the time to people who are really really small.. only problem is mr. benoit wasnt a doctor heh

ps. i was talking about pumping a small person with HGH, and i wouldnt doubt benoit did it way too much which is probably why they feel it was benoit doing it

[blah]

Bleh, you can't put a positive spin on this, you just can't. I can't figure out why you would want to. WWE should have been shut down years ago, it certainly needs to be looked at now. If Congress wants to address the nation's problem with steroids it needs to shut "professional" wrestling down immediately.

Merc, you always have alot of knowledge and information on all things bodybuilding, and I respect that. However, I think the issue here isn't whether steroids contributed to this specific incident. The issue is, and always has been, the message being sent to kids everywhere. I am not arguing that gear is always destructive or that it can't be used responsibly and informatively, but I firmly believe that steroids do way more harm than good in youth, and furthermore the mentality that promotes steroid use is just as destructive as the steroids themselves. Wanting to be fit and strong is one thing, and something I respect and myself agree with. However, there is a point where the mentality starts to negatively impact lives, and WWE is promoting that mentality.

[Kap`n]

Bleh, you can't put a positive spin on this, you just can't. I can't figure out why you would want to. WWE should have been shut down years ago, it certainly needs to be looked at now. If Congress wants to address the nation's problem with steroids it needs to shut "professional" wrestling down immediately.

Merc, you always have alot of knowledge and information on all things bodybuilding, and I respect that. However, I think the issue here isn't whether steroids contributed to this specific incident. The issue is, and always has been, the message being sent to kids everywhere. I am not arguing that gear is always destructive or that it can't be used responsibly and informatively, but I firmly believe that steroids do way more harm than good in youth, and furthermore the mentality that promotes steroid use is just as destructive as the steroids themselves. Wanting to be fit and strong is one thing, and something I respect and myself agree with. However, there is a point where the mentality starts to negatively impact lives, and WWE is promoting that mentality.


murder-suicides happen everyday. probably 90+% of them are committed by people who have never come into contact with steroids. Some people are just fucking nuts, period.


what if chris benoit was never a wrestler and had a kid with fragile X while humping some crappy job for 50+ hours week. for all you know in that different situation he couldve ended up doing the same thing. Some ppl just cant handle life,pressure,whatever, and lose all sense of reality. Get off the steroids talk already.

[puppychow]

this is a bit of an irresponsible statement from the wwe in my opinion. protecting their own i guess...could not??

"The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs."

[Sutterkane]

murder-suicides happen everyday. probably 90+% of them are committed by people who have never come into contact with steroids. Some people are just fucking nuts, period.


what if chris benoit was never a wrestler and had a kid with fragile X while humping some crappy job for 50+ hours week. for all you know in that different situation he couldve ended up doing the same thing. Some ppl just cant handle life,pressure,whatever, and lose all sense of reality. Get off the steroids talk already.

people get in auto accidents and kill people everyday too, so i guess by what you're saying alcohol could never be a factor in that equation?

horrible logic.

[Kap`n]

this is a bit of an irresponsible statement from the wwe in my opinion. protecting their own i guess...could not??

"The WWE, based in Stamford, Conn., issued a news release Tuesday saying steroids "were not and could not be related to the cause of death" and that the findings indicate "deliberation, not rage." It also added that Benoit tested negative April 10, the last time he was tested for drugs."

smart idea because who wants to get sued because some crazy asshole that worked for you killed his family and himself. There is no evidence of steroid abuse/illegal use. EVERYONE assumes becauses hes big and in WWE/wrestling that he must be using and abusing...and that theres no other possible explanation.... Benoit has passed tests and the only thing ive seen about steroids is that they are legally prescribed to have them.

[Kap`n]

people get in auto accidents and kill people everyday too, so i guess by what you're saying alcohol could never be a factor in that equation?

horrible logic.

murder suicide is deliberate ...most drunk drivers arent setting out to kill people

so you fail try again

steroids----->murder-suicide (deliberate)
intoxication-->vehicular manslaughter (accidental)

way more drunk drivers kill ppl than steroid users commit murder suicide and its a completely different crime/action so theres no logical comparison

wheres your logic

[Sutterkane]

my logic is that by introducing a chemical substance into an equation, it unbalances the equation. pretty simple chemistry. you are trying to say that by adding steroids which create anger and depression that this cannot lead a person to becoming murderous or homicidal or at least moreso than they already are. you can have car accidents driving no matter what, however, you are more prone to have them if you are driving under the influence of a substance that will impair your senses.

[blah]

There is no evidence of steroid abuse/illegal use. EVERYONE assumes becauses hes big and in WWE/wrestling that he must be using and abusing...and that theres no other possible explanation....

This is a joke, right? I'm just going to assume this is a joke.

Regardless, my point has nothing to do with whether steroids drove this guy to off his family or whether he did it independently. My point is that the WWE is very influential on kids and promotes an unrealistic and unhealthy body image and the drugs neccessary to achieve such a body.

EDIT: BTW, as for the discussion itself, I don't think anyone here would question that ridiculously excessive amounts of testosterone (over 90 times that found in a normal adult male) lead to increased aggression. There is an ongoing debate as to natural hormone and aggression levels, but many experiments have artificially manipulated hormone levels and found corresponding aggression.

[ass*assassin]

this whole situation is going to be a matter of opinion, because no matter who you are, nobody is in the mind of chris.. he is dead, and the true motivation as to why and how this happened, well, it died with him..

i am going to guess that he was depressed and finally just snapped.. this happens to all kinds of 'normal' people, even out of the sports world. how many times have all of us read about someone that 'snapped' and acted out of normal context? All the time, it's one of the prime motives in many a hollywood movie..

am i apologizing for this? no, but i have seen what stress can do to 'supposedly normal people' under fire.. the big hero cowers in his fox hole, and the little 'nerd' steps up to the plate and leads the rest of the guys to victory.. seen it more than once..

interesting thing is that everything i have read seems to indicate that chris was pretty much a normal guy in most ways, other than being a pro wrestler.. 'roid rage doesn't seem to fit this because i haven't seen any evidence, at least so far in the public domain, that seems to indicate that he was susceptible to this sort of thing.. a few are going to point at the wifes' divorce filing in 2004 and show that he was potentially violent because of the way in which she filed.. she stated that he was 'mad at her, and threatened her'.. gee, sounds lik 95% of most normal guys i know.. the laws are written such that if you even yell at your wife for doing something bonehead, you can be charged with abuse.. sounds silly, but there it is..

none of us were there to witness these events.. it's all conjecture at this point.. i will leave it to the professionals investigating this whole mess, i trust that they will come up with the probable motives and causes on due time.. i am guessing the depression angle, with him losing it once he realizes his son will never be normal.. to a perfectionist pro wrestler, maybe it was enough to push him over the edge.. we will never know, for the truth died with chris..

[Mercenary-VD]

What I wrote before didn't even take any research, you learn that from Biology courses. Have you taken Physiology, Biochemistry, and Cell Molecular Biology? In Physiology, one area you break down is the adrenal glands, the brain, etc. In Biochem, you break down cortisol, anabolic steroids, androgens, neurotransmitters, receptors, specific pathways.

One of the main things you learn is that every individual's body act differently and react differently in some way to medication/drugs/surgery/etc. I don't understand how you can deny roid rage not existing in anyone. Apparently you have more knowledge on steroids than I do. I'm done here though since these are one of those arguments where you feel like you're talking to a brick wall.

edit: Did you mean non-steroidal anti-inflammatories? Steroidal is stuff like cortisone and as far as I remember, is not as dangerous as synthetic steroids. I use cortisone in the past for rashes or mosquito bites, etc. But it's topical so it's not being injected directly. It's a lot harder to abuse since you have to use it like all the time or layer it on for it to actually enter the bloodstream. I have no idea what the effects might be if it does, but I assume it can be the same with anabolic steroids, but not to that extent because of the way it can be abused.

I meant steroid anti-inflammatories such as cortisol. I did not mean non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. I also typed androgens, such as DHEA or androstenedione. I imagine you avoided the later because you're familiar that some adrogens such as DHEA are sometimes prescribed to treat depression.

Oh, and yes, while I don't have anything close to a masters or PhD in physiologic systems or chemistry, I've completed some of the basics such as second year human physiology, organic chemistry and cell biology.

Testosterone causes clinically defined aggression.
Anabolic Steroids have a correlation between use and aggression.
Dependence can occur and discontinuation leads to several symptoms, including psychosis.
Mercanary should learn to do his own literature searches and know what he is talking about before opening his mouth.

Thank you Telos, I only wish that I had spent an entire 15 minutes copying abstracts. If only you had posted this early I would have saved myself time and energy.

Also, congratulation, that last comment was a zinger, esspecially comming from a guy whose research on the topic at hand consists of copying abstracts and then extrapolating the data across species. Since you've proven yourself such a formidable opponent allow me to pose to you the following scenario, following the scenario I'd like to insisit that you extrapolate your conclussions across species.

The scenario is as follows, 200 adolescent humans who have been raised since birth like lab hamsters, each one is allocated a 8x10 cage with all the amenities a hampster could ever desire, running wheel, bottle of water, and pebbled food. Inject these children with needles of placebo and then study them to see if some of them act aggressively under an array of other conditions, such as in the presence of other adolescents who have been being raised under the same conditions.

At any rate, the increased aggression in the animals wasn't due to adrogen class steroids or anabolics maybe you should acctually read through some papers instead of forming opinions based on abstracts.

Merc, you always have alot of knowledge and information on all things bodybuilding, and I respect that. However, I think the issue here isn't whether steroids contributed to this specific incident. The issue is, and always has been, the message being sent to kids everywhere. I am not arguing that gear is always destructive or that it can't be used responsibly and informatively, but I firmly believe that steroids do way more harm than good in youth, and furthermore the mentality that promotes steroid use is just as destructive as the steroids themselves. Wanting to be fit and strong is one thing, and something I respect and myself agree with. However, there is a point where the mentality starts to negatively impact lives, and WWE is promoting that mentality.

I agree, the message being sent home is terrible and the WWE needs to start taking responsibility for the physical and mental health of its actors. My point isn't to say that anabolics have positive aspects that outweight the negative consequences or that the overall impact of anabolics is neutral. Steroids are harmful but that doesn't mean they cause people to go on psychotic rampages, or hurt people. The issue with the WWE is seperate from what I'm trying to address.

EDIT: BTW, as for the discussion itself, I don't think anyone here would question that ridiculously excessive amounts of testosterone (over 90 times that found in a normal adult male) lead to increased aggression. There is an ongoing debate as to natural hormone and aggression levels, but many experiments have artificially manipulated hormone levels and found corresponding aggression.

I guess we'd have to find a few hosts that could support those kind of test levels first, heh.

[Telos]

So let me get this straight.

You ask for reputable sources in the last 5 years that state the steroid use causes aggression. I give you the abstract, authors, titles, and journals of one article stating that fact in humans in a correlational study. I give you another article that is a biochemical study in a human analog. I give you exactly what you asked for, and your response is a hypothetical scenario you made up.

And I know your two semesters of community college biology is equivalent to my education in medical school, but maybe it is you who needs to go back and review your biology, right after of course you learn about this little thing called logic and reason which unlike those peer reviewed studies, you are simply tossing right out the window.

[Fivestar]

I meant steroid anti-inflammatories such as cortisol. I did not mean non-steroidal anti-inflammatories. I also typed androgens, such as DHEA or androstenedione. I imagine you avoided the later because you're familiar that some adrogens such as DHEA are sometimes prescribed to treat depression.

Not sure how you can compare something synthetic (anabolic steroids) to something produced by the human body (cortisol), especially when it comes to violent behavior and abuse.

I avoided androgens on purpose as I only know a little bit about it. I don't comment on every sub-topic to steroids like I know everything about it. It's easy for me to google topics and then reply to what you say if I wanted, but I prefer to comment on what I already know.

Telos could have posted things he learned through M1, but I doubt he's going to waste his time. He gave you those peer reviewed journals because you keep questioning everyone who opposes your logic. But it was predictable what you did like I mentioned before on my last reply.

I don't have a masters or PhD either. I have a BS degree and will be going to Pharmacy school soon where all I will learn is how drugs/meds affect the body and interactions. So I rather not spend my time trying to prove anything to you, but rather help others who read this thread to understand. Because if all this thread was only about you posting what you researched on the internet, then people would get the wrong one sided impression wouldn't they?

[greenbeard]

The following was posted on RobVanDam.com

Well, there’s no need to wait until we have our heads wrapped around this, because I doubt that’ll happen, so here it is. I know that a monster committed those terrible, unforgivable acts of horror. Just like everyone who knew Chris Benoit, I can’t think of him as a monster. Not Chris.

Chris was truly a role model’s role model. You simply had to respect him and admire his focus and unmatched discipline. If I ever got asked a question about who I looked up to the most in the business, you guessed it. That’s me sharing a real feeling with you. Not talking about bull shit that I have little interest in, like who would I like most to wrestle with, or what’s my favorite color, but who I actually looked up to in the dressing room. It’s Chris Benoit- in the ring and in the dressing room and with his family.

The last time I talked to Chris, a few weeks ago, he told me how much he respected me for stepping away from the business. His message now comes to me from beyond. He said “Some of us don’t know when to get out.” I told him that I always held a little contempt for him telling me back in 1992 that I was a dumb-ass for wanting to quit WCW, and mentioned the irony.

Over the last several years, on overseas tours I’d always see Chris in the gym when the other guys were recovering from the night before. He’d train hard and sometimes I’d see him allowing young wrestlers to follow his lead and get a guaranteed killer workout. He took pride in what he did and set a great example for others, myself included, to follow.

How many murderers…baby murderers at that… are praised so highly by EVERYONE who knew them? This is all so bizarre and new information seems to come out every few hours but I can’t imagine we’ll ever understand what happened here. It appears that Chris took the answers with him. To tell you the honest truth, the easiest thing for me to believe at this moment is that if no frame work was involved, he was taken over by demonic energies with no compassion. I have to believe this is often the case with such inhumane acts.

Nancy, Daniel and Chris’ tragic deaths obviously have affected a lot of people. Just remember, there’s enough hate in this world. Hateful thoughts do not move us in the right direction, so make a conscious effort to remember that. It’s important now and always.

[blah]

Uh, I'm not sure I buy it, but apparently Wikipedia is claiming that their site went live with an update at 12:01 am that stated that Chris Benoit was being replaced in an upcoming match due to the death of his wife. The police didn't find his body until after 2 pm. The update came from an IP address in Stamford, CT, which is the location of WWE Headquarters. This is so bizarre and freaky I can't even describe it. If this is true, well, I can't even fathom it. This only reinforces my belief that the WWE needs to be shut down, or at least seriously revamped.

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29094

WIKIPEDIA UPDATE REPORTED NANCY BENOIT DEATH 14 HOURS BEFORE POLICE ARRIVED AT HOME
By: Bob Ryder
6/28/2007 2:34:12 PM

The bizarre Benoit tragedy continues to get more bizarre with almost every passing moment. Fox News is reporting something that has been discussed in various message board postings for the last couple of days. Apparently an entry was made on Chris Benoit's Wikipedia profile that reported Nancy Benoit's death approximately 14 hours before police arrived at the Benoit residence.

The post reads "Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.”

The post was made by an IP address traced to Stamford CT, the headquarters of WWE. The update went live on Wikipedia at 1201am ET on Monday morning. Police found the bodies at 230pm ET.

We received several emails from readers alerting us to the Wikipedia update. Frankly, we thought it to be too bizarre to be true and felt that the time stamp must have been either a technical glitch or the result of someone manipulating the Wikipedia posting process.

Wikipedia officials are saying the time stamp is accurate and that they alerted authorities on Tuesday of the posting.

[blah]

By the way, that "role model" had his wife leave him and get a restraining order because she was so scared of him. Looks like that fear was well deserved.

None of this is new to anyone who pays attention. In light of this whole situation Steve Austin's ex-wife has started talking publicly about the "dark side" of the WWE, specifically domestic violence and drug abuse. She offers that her story wasn't that different from Benoit's wife and laments that she didn't speak up sooner (she was under a gag order from the court after Austin was put on probation for a year).

http://letswrestle.blogspot.com/2007/06/stone-cold-steve-austins-ex-wife-claims.html

[xero]

I've compiled a complete theory on the physiology and psychology behind what I think happened. It makes complete and total sense to me, and I just wanted to see what you guys think.

All of the information I've read is readily available on Yahoo! News. You can help yourselves, but I don't really feel like providing links because I'm lazy.

Chris was having severe marital problems. His wife filed for divorce in 2003, but then dropped the filing mysteriously and spontaneously. This is never a good sign in a marriage, and is usually tied to domestic violence. The primary motivators for the marital problems were two-fold -- his profession requiring him to always be traveling, and his retarded son. It has also come to my attention that they frequently fought about how to care for their son, who had Fragile X Syndrome, which is hereditary, in this case, from Benoit. I'm almost positive that a wife who wanted to divorce him 4 years ago would have argued with him more than once about how it was 'his fault' the kid had FXS. Having FXS, the kid would have required a lot of care -- this is care that the mother made very clear she could not and did not want to provide on her own, so she argued with Chris over his profession and how he was always gone. However, she also refused to let him quit, claiming that they needed the money to support themselves and their son.

Benoit also had his own personal problems. He had naturally low testosterone levels as a result of steroid abused to initially bulk up in his teens (this is what I read -- opinions on feasibility/reliability?), and was thus prescribed testosterone by his doctor to combat low-testosterone-level-induced depression. Legally prescribed anabolic steroids were also found in his home, but it remains unknown to me whether they were being used by Chris or were for his son.

He killed his wife first, by strangulation. It seems to me that he had just had all he could take from a wife who he would doubtlessly constantly fight with, and killed her in a fit of rage (steroid/testosterone-induced or not -- I'll need to hear what the toxicology report from his autopsy says). Strangulation is a very intimate crime, so it makes sense that it just happened spontaneously. I don't know whether or not he made the decision to kill himself, his son, or both at this point. Any way you slice it, he smothered his son (probably in his sleep, in an attempt to be humane), placed Bibles by both of the bodies, and then hung himself.

It seems like the course of actions follow a logical and reasonable line of escalation to the point where it finally became a double-murder-suicide. The time taken between his actions over the course of hours/days seems to suggest he actually thought about what he should do next.

It's horrifically sad, but that's how I think the events unfolded.

As for this blog posting from WWE's headquarters, this is very very weird. I'll have to look into it more and see how it fits in. Perhaps he called and told someone he wouldn't be making the event because of his wife's death, and the person who posted the blog entry at HQ just assumed that it was not a murder.

[Ignatz]

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29094

WIKIPEDIA UPDATE REPORTED NANCY BENOIT DEATH 14 HOURS BEFORE POLICE ARRIVED AT HOME

DUN DUN DUUUNNNNNN


Man this story has all kinds of legs. I hope it gets even weirder still.

[bravE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxaRapD8rN8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWzQM8zBsuE&mode=related&search=

[greenbeard]

DUN DUN DUUUNNNNNN


Man this story has all kinds of legs. I hope it gets even weirder still.

I was reading about this shit at home yesterday, what the holy mother of fuck is going on now.

[Vengeant]

I was reading about this shit at home yesterday, what the holy mother of fuck is going on now.

wikipedia already put up a post supposedly from the guy who updated the news...'a complete coincidence'. even as a former wwe employee, this message stinks of corporate coverup desparation...

but i won't have a clue anymore- my friends and contacts on the inside wont talk to me about this anymore for legal reasons and because they fear loosing thier jobs (wwe stock has fallen quite a bit because of this tragedy)

edit:

here's the entry

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_mystery_editor_confesses:_claims_%22t errible_coincidence%22

[greenbeard]

By the way, that "role model" had his wife leave him and get a restraining order because she was so scared of him. Looks like that fear was well deserved.[/url]

Clearly you can understand his personal life wasn't in public view.

He constantly went out of his way to push rasslin, interact with fans, all kinds of shit that stars of his caliber didn't do. He did all the positive things that made him an icon, and to top it off, he was real good at what he did.

If he choked his wife in a eatery or pillowed his kid in a bed store where it was out in the public it woulb be known that he had some real fucked up problems, but it wouldn't be so hard to think of him as a role model before he went batshit. I think you need to realize that people know the difference of then and now.

If he beat his wife he was a douche. But again, he was a private guy, I guess we now know why.

[dys]

http://www.cbs46.com/news/13594206/detail.html

^ Hard to believe but the info supports the claim that it was coincidental.

[SlaX]

wikipedia already put up a post supposedly from the guy who updated the news...'a complete coincidence'. even as a former wwe employee, this message stinks of corporate coverup desparation...

but i won't have a clue anymore- my friends and contacts on the inside wont talk to me about this anymore for legal reasons and because they fear loosing thier jobs (wwe stock has fallen quite a bit because of this tragedy)

edit:

here's the entry

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Chris_Benoit_mystery_editor_confesses:_claims_%22t errible_coincidence%22
Gambit
Why would someone from Titan (do they call it that anymore?) care about changing an entry for Ron Artest?

I ask because supposedly the same guy changed some entries for Ron Artest and Chavo earlier in the month.

The IP address from which the 12:01 a.m. addition was made has been flagged for "vandalizing" other Wikipedia entries in the past, including one about troubled NBA star Ron Artest. The IP user also edited a post earlier this month about WWE wrestler Chavo Guerrero Jr., a close friend of Benoit's and reportedly one of the two recipients of text messages sent by Benoit over the weekend before the bodies were discovered.

In that entry, the IP user stripped an explicit and damaging description from the Guerrero post.
Source (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/Story?id=3327310&page=2)

In addition, the media trying to tie Sherri's death to Chris's is really iritating.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan - ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.
(http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287182,00.html)
Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother's home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.
Source (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html)

[Vengeant]

Gambit
Why would someone from Titan (do they call it that anymore?) care about changing an entry for Ron Artest?

I ask because supposedly the same guy changed some entries for Ron Artest and Chavo earlier in the month.


Source (http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/Story?id=3327310&page=2)


yes, they still occasionally refer to the main building (there are 3 wwe facilities in stamford, the other 2 are hidden and not sensationalized because the talent has to go to them a lot) as titan towers

wikipedia can be edited by any person, on any continent, in any country, in any city in the entire world. the fact that this guy just happened to be from stamford, ct, usa of all places just is too fishy for my liking.

[puppychow]

3 minutes....continue, or all these sources poppycock?

http://bipolar.about.com/od/causes/a/bpsteroid1.htm

http://www.doitnow.org/pages/520.html

http://www.cesar.umd.edu/cesar/drugs/steroids.asp

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/aug19/corrigan/corrigan.html

other POSSIBLE things to consider - weve seen more and more stories about how concussions in sports can lead to depression and mania in ppl later...a factor?

holy fuck, i can tell the future...cool.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2920925

[greenbeard]

Saw this post today at a rasslin blog, true roofles.

Get the Bastard who killed the three Benoits i beleive they were killed by someone eles>>>>>rip chris you will be a hero to me of all time .
Everything just don’t add up!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and as for not to mention his name .. is ludicras
someone eles was involed (you mark my words)

Wow.

[Redneck]

wtf...This is crazy shit.

[Jimyd]

Any WWE wrestler death is a benefit to society.

[Sutterkane]

Clearly he put his wife in the Crippler Crossface and then gave the Diving Headbutt from the top rope. JR was there ringside for the entire thing.

it was the other way around, but the same moves were used

http://smallscreen.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1325110.php/Police_say_Benoit_used_his_WWE_finishing_move_to_k ill_son

[greenbeard]

it was the other way around, but the same moves were used

http://smallscreen.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1325110.php/Police_say_Benoit_used_his_WWE_finishing_move_to_k ill_son


Rarf, innernets

[puppychow]

merc, how an you refute this causality of steroids with this death list? i dont think concussions and having a pre-messed up nature is the answer..

http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

[Telos]

merc, how an you refute this causality of steroids with this death list? i dont think concussions and having a pre-messed up nature is the answer..

http://prowrestling.about.com/od/whatsrealwhatsfake/a/wrestlersdeaths.htm

don't take it personally, he ignores every piece of scientific evidence indicating steroids are bad

[[GoW]HK]

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/3f/Benoit.gif

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/0/0d/BenoitSleeperHold.jpg

[Mario]

Im sick of this story...

[greenbeard]

Toxicology test results:

Chris Benoit was positive for Xanex at 50 micrograms per liter. Hydrocodone 45 micrograms per liter. Theraputic range and not toxic. Chris Benoit's urine tested positive for the steroid testosterone at 207 micrograms per liter. The elevated level in the urine. No other steroids found in his urine. GHB was not found in any 3 of the individuals.

[Mercenary-VD]

merc, how an you refute this causality of steroids with this death list? i dont think concussions and having a pre-messed up nature is the answer..

http://prowrestling.about.com/od/wha...lersdeaths.htm

...and I quote

Steroids are harmful but that doesn't mean they cause people to go on psychotic rampages, or hurt people.

I'll never question the physical health risks of anabolics, but I do have serious doubts about the mental implications. That list is long, and it goes to show how irresponsible the WWE is with ensuring the safety of their actors but it's a long way away from saying steroids cause people to go crazy, which by my account is the point you've been trying to make throughout this whole thread.

If my memory serves me right all the wrestlers who committed suicide most were caused by drug overdose, I believe the drug of choice was cocaine. The Von Erich's don't even count because all of those guys were fucking crazy the minute they came out of the womb. But you have a point, there are a lot of guys on that list that died from physical complications likely related to years of steroid abuse -- not that I ever disputed that point to begin with.

Oh, and I heard that found no anabolics in his system, who would have thought? But he did register I T/E ratio of around 10/1, crazy, even Landis had a higher ratio when he won the Tour de France.