Kevin Garnett Trade rumors

[BigSerd]

Being a Wolves fan I though I'd get some opinions on the deals that I've seen for KG in the papers and on the interweb.

Lakers
Apparently the LA Times is reporting the deal is KG for Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, and Kwamme Brown.

I'm not all that excited about Brown but Odom and especially Bynum would be nice additions.

Suns
This is from the Chicago Tribune
"All the particulars aren't established, but the basics are the Suns get Kevin Garnett, the Celtics get Shawn Marion and the Timberwolves get the No. 5 pick, the Hawks' unprotected first-round pick for next season, which the Suns hold, the Suns' two firsts this year (No. 24 and 29) and the expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas and Theo Ratliff."

Not sure how I feel about that one. That trade would give the Wolves 4 first round picks (#5, #7, #24, #29) in what people say is a deep draft plus the throw-ins. I like the multiple draft picks because this team needs to get young talent on board but giving up KG and not getting a quality roster player in return bothers me. If a trade with the Suns goes down, the Wolves better get Stoudamire as part of any deal. I realize that Steve Kerr came out and said that they couldn't do a deal for him but I gotta imagine they'd at least try and work something out. The Suns with KG is a very scary team.

Celtics
The original rumor had KG going for the #5 pick, Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Telfair, and Theo Ratliff and there's been other rumors mostly involving that #5 pick and Jefferson.

If I'm the Wolves I do the original rumor deal in a heartbeat. However, I don't think KG wants to go to Boston at all since he and Wally didn't get along while they were in Minnesota. The Celtics may still be involved in a trade for KG as part of a multi team deal but I don't see them as the place that Garnett ends up.

The Bulls have got plenty of young talent but I haven't seen any rumors of deals they've offered

[Vr_]

i dont think Pho will get him.
if they take him the suns would want him to wave his trade clause so that they wont have to take a $6.X million hit. He probably wont do that because thats a extra $6. some million hes waving away, and after the markus banks deal that set us back a lot.
personaly i would love to have him but i dont think the suns would part with amare just yet. Marion can always opt out of his contract next season but I can see them keeping pretty much the starters together and focusing on the draft (its no secret they want to move up into the top 10. maybe Noah?). maybe trade into the top 10 (give our 27 and 29th + next years [hawks] 1st rounder), pick up Noah, Marion ops out next year, Noah starts and picks up where marion left off?

[Mercenary-VD]

I've heard some rumours with Minny/Lakers/Pacers and another with Minny/Lakers/Pacers/Boston.

The problem with all of these trades is that Minny doesn't really get compensated for the loss of Garnett. In the 3-way Pacers trade you'd see Minny give up Garnett to recieve JO, Diogu, the #19 pick from the Lakers and more bench fodder from the Pacers? For the Wolves this is a trade that could end up as Garnett for JO (While the Pacers get Odom and Bynum). Doesn't sound like a good trade for the team that should be in control of these talks.

Trades involving the Suns are difficult as well, the Suns are reluctant to let go of the future (Amare) and are really trying to peddle Marion. Unfortunately, Marion will likely opt out after next year if he's traded to a non contention team.

The Suns may have missed the boat with Marion, maybe they should have traded him off two seasons ago with the intention of giving Johnson a bigger part in the offense. At least then they may have been able to get something more secure then what they could recieve this year.

"All the particulars aren't established, but the basics are the Suns get Kevin Garnett, the Celtics get Shawn Marion and the Timberwolves get the No. 5 pick, the Hawks' unprotected first-round pick for next season, which the Suns hold, the Suns' two firsts this year (No. 24 and 29) and the expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas and Theo Ratliff."

I saw this post as well off of SI. I don't see how any Wolves fan could deal with giving up Garnett draft picks. It sounds like something straight out of a video game.

pick up Noah, Marion ops out next year, Noah starts and picks up where marion left off?

Noah can't replace Marion, ever. However, he'd definitely be a great addition, they could use the PF.

[H-Town]

As I mentioned in the Kobe thread, deals that involve 3 teams or more rarely get done, so I don't imagine this will either.

[BoSlim]

The 4 team deal would include Indiana and the Celtics would get Jermaine O'Neal and have to send Al Jefferson and the #5 pick to Minnesota. This is quite possibly an even dumber trade than last year when the Celts traded a pick for Telfair. Jermaine O'Neal isn't a significant upgrade(if any upgrade) from Al Jefferson, he is older, less potential, and then throw losing the #5 pick on top of it? How dumb is Danny Ainge for even considering this?

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/al_jefferson/index.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jermaine_oneal/index.html

Just look at the stats, I don't get it. The most glaring stat to me is the fg%. This trade will not make the Celtics any better, if anything, it will make them worse and they lose out on a young player they could get at #5. I just don't understand what GM's are thinking sometimes, and I really hope this doesn't happen.

[AGT-Shady]

Maybe he's already tanking to take a shot at the #1 pick again next year? :D

But in all seriousness, wolves fans need to be happy for anything close to value for KG, because his ass is long gone in 2 years so even 4 1st round draft picks is a pretty good deal for a team in serious need of rebulding IMO.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

As a Laker fan I'd love to have him but I don't count on it happening in the slightest. Either way the Wolves should get as much as they can for him now because they're not going to build a winner around him in the next couple of years. Since 2004 the team has done nothing but regressed. There's so many "rumors" that it's impossible to tell what's true. Supposedly Marion will opt out next year if he goes to Minnesota, Paxson and the Bulls are now in the running and Minnesota/McHale doesn't like the Laker package and quite frankly I don't blame him since he can get better.

[Magus]

Kobe and Garnett would never be able to win a title. They'd be a bit better than the Nuggets.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

KG is one of the top PF's of all time which would give any team a huge inside presence. The Lakers currently have no inside post presence. I'm not saying they'd win it all because that's not the case but considering how they did last year I think they'd be substantially better with KG than with Odom/Bynum. Odom is a 6'11 SF and Bynum is a project. If the Lakers don't get some help might as well ship Kobe out and start rebuilding.

[chi-town]

this is going to be interesting because I guess KG wants to be traded before the draft...which I don't think will happen. kobe still isn't commenting on this whole KG trade anyways but im sure he'll think twice if the trade goes through.

for some odd reason I think paxson is going to pull some crazy shit off...hopefully KG or gasol :P

[BoSlim]

Theres rumors of a deal in place involving phoenix since they had jeff green workout, which they'd never get with the 25+29 picks (i think thats what they have). So look for marion or stoudamire to possibly be moving.

[H-Town]

Theres rumors of a deal in place involving phoenix since they had jeff green workout, which they'd never get with the 25+29 picks (i think thats what they have). So look for marion or stoudamire to possibly be moving.

No way in Hell Stoudamire is moved, even for Garnett. Marion is the prime guy to be moved, and has been talked about moving for quite a while now.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

Supposedly Minnesota wants a high draft pick in any trade and there's mention of Phoenix going after like the 8 pick. ESPN was talking about a 3 team trade yesterday between Boston, Phoenix and Minnesota. The hang up part is that supposedly Marion says he doesn't want to play in Boston and would opt out and now Pierce supposedly wants out. This stuff gives me something to read during the day at work but I wouldn't be surprised to see nothing big happen before the draft.

[Vr_]

6/27 (about 3:30est)

NEW YORK – Minnesota Timberwolves forward Kevin Garnett is close to going to the Phoenix Suns in a monumental three-way trade that would send Phoenix forward Amare Stoudemire to the Atlanta Hawks, league sources said Wednesday.

Atlanta would move the Nos. 3 and 11 picks in Thursday's draft, as well as Zaza Pachulia and Anthony Johnson, to Minnesota.

Minnesota owner Glen Taylor has delivered a mandate to his basketball executives to get a deal done, one league executive said.

Yahoo! Sports has learned that the trade would also save the Hawks from an emerging showdown between the front office and coaching staff over whom to draft with the third pick. The front office and coaching staff had settled on Florida power forward Al Horford, but a faction of the Atlanta Spirit ownership group, with business interests in China, is pushing them to take Yi Jianlian.

The deal hinges on Atlanta general manager Billy Knight saying yes, as well as Hawks ownership, which is mired in lawsuits, being willing to increase payroll. It is believed that star Hawks guard Joe Johnson talked to his former Suns teammate on Wednesday and that the 24-year-old Stoudemire, a first-team All-NBA choice, told him that he'd welcome the trade.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-nbadraft062707&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[shp]

Atlanta still won't have a point guard. Just a lot of forwards..unless Joe Johnson decides to be the point forward again.

[H-Town]

The Suns should just fold the franchise if they do that deal.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

I can't wait for the draft to be over so this crap will all be done with. From Arizona republic so take it for what it's worth:

Addressing the KG buzz
And we go 'round and 'round.

The latest Kevin Garnett rumors have come full cycle to repeat the original rumor of Boston being in a three-way deal. Now, Atlanta comes up in reports.

One thing has not changed. Sources closely tied to the situation on multiple fronts have all said that Phoenix is not willing to part with Amare Stoudemire, a 24-year-old, first team All-NBA player with quite a playoff pedigree thus far.

In fact, one source said Minnesota does not want Stoudemire. If teams try to make the deal work with Shawn Marion instead, Minnesota and Atlanta would each squash that because neither team wants Marion. Boston would like him but he does not want to go there unless they dangled an extension before him but his 2008-09 number is already at $17.8 million. How much would an extension take?

As far as the possibility of Atlanta, there is the Stoudemire-Johnson dynamic to consider as well. Those two denied any rift but Stoudemire's blow-up at Johnson in Miami back in 2005 irked JJ, who would have to give up his status as the franchise player in Atlanta if Stoudemire arrived. How would Atlanta and Minnesota react if they heard Stoudemire did not want to go to either team? Stoudemire called the talk "nonsense" last time I saw him.

And let's not forget the mountainous contract of Garnett, paying him $22 million this season and $23 million in 2008-09 if he does not take his option to terminate it early. Plus, a trade kicker could make his salary $28.5 million this season unless he waives a portion, which he can only do if it makes the trade work. There may be language in the contract that can keep the kicker spread over two years if a deal is done prior to July 1.

Bottom line: the Suns' biggest deal tomorrow may be sending Kurt Thomas somewhere to cut down the payroll. (Addeddum: If Phoenix trades with a team below the salary cap, like Charlotte, it won't have to take back within 125 percent, plus $100,000, of Thomas' salary.)



Topics: SPORTS

[Scorcher]

The Suns should just fold the franchise if they do that deal.

They're not winning any championships with the team they have now, might as well shake it up before Steve Nash is done.

[Suicidal Anomaly]

They're one of the top 3 teams in the league and Duncan isn't getting any younger and the Mavs just pulled a choke job. If they can get through the WCF they can win it all. I think right now Garnett is better than Amare as an all around player but Amare is more suited to running the half court game that the Suns play. On top of that Amare is 24 and a guy you can build around for the next 5-7 years. As a Laker fan I hope they trade Amare out of the western coference while getting Garnett if they get him at all.

[AGT-Shady]

I think that trade would certainly help the Suns win now, something they seem desperate to do while they still have all this talent locked up and Nash still near the top of his game.

You gotta think it's gonna take 2-3 years for Stoudemire to blossom into the defensive side of his game as well as cementing his mid-range jumper, 2 aspects that KG already has locked down. If they wait for Stoudemire, they lose a lot of their collateral pieces they wouldn't be able to afford anymore plus Nash looked much older in this year's playoffs than Duncan IMO and neither is getting any younger obviously. Keeping in mind that after losing Thomas(which salary dictates they must), they lose the only low post player thats had any success slowing Duncan down the past 3 years. Hell if Oberto leaves I wouldn't be surprised to see SA offer him a below-market contract just to get him away from potential contenders and a chance to win a title.

Anyone in Minnesota that says they don't like the trade is a fucking moron, as they're not going anywhere in the time KG would remain in Minnesota and could pick up say Horford and perhaps Law as the 1-2 combo on that team for a long time, assuming Law turns into a Tony Parker Jr which many think he can.

Meanwhile ATL gets the mother of all young PFs instead of drafting another one, and is one more draft away form grabbing the PG of the future this team needs to cement itself as a Top 3 team in the East.

Seems to make sense for all sides to me, but if after it all the Suns STILL can't get over the hump and win a title or 2 you have to think people will look back at this move a monumental blunder for their franchise.

[BigSerd]

I like that 3 way trade with the Suns and Hawks a lot as a Wolves fan although I think the Hawks are giving up an awful lot to fill a position that they really don't have a need at right now.

[Magus]

... Amare would play center in the east easily. Think Dwight Howard.

It doesn't make sense for the Suns to give up Amare for KG, who is older and I don't think that much better.

[Milosenpotion]

KG is substantially better than Amare...

[Magus]

KG is substantially better than Amare...

How do you figure? His offensive game, in Phoenix's system, will produce similar numbers. He's better on the defensive end, for sure, but is he worth his advanced age? Who says Amare can't develop in the 8 years they have in age difference to the point that KG is now? I really don't see the sense in mortgaging your entire future. Just wait it out, continue to groom Barbosa and add talent, and when Nash/Duncan retire, you will be the better of the two titans remaining. It's not like they CAN'T beat the Spurs now, they were a bloody nose away from a game 7, in my opinion.

[Mexi]

How do you figure? His offensive game, in Phoenix's system, will produce similar numbers. He's better on the defensive end, for sure, but is he worth his advanced age? Who says Amare can't develop in the 8 years they have in age difference to the point that KG is now? I really don't see the sense in mortgaging your entire future.


What future? Nash is 33 years old. Garnett is 31 years old. When Nash is gone (or too old to keep up what he's doing, which won't be very long), the "future" is gone with him. You can't wait for a player to develop in the future and lose the rest. Take championships when you can get them.

[Scorcher]

What future? Nash is 33 years old. Garnett is 31 years old. When Nash is gone (or too old to keep up what he's doing, which won't be very long), the "future" is gone with him. You can't wait for a player to develop in the future and lose the rest. Take championships when you can get them.

Exactly.

[shp]

Vetoed. The Hawks ownership is a disaster.

[blah]

If this trade happens, and the Suns win a title, no one will ever question it. If it happens and they don't win a title, history will record it as a catastrophe. All that being said, I think the Suns have to do it if it's on the table. Sure they almost beat San Antone with Amare, but they didn't, and there's no guarantee they'll get homecourt next year again. They have no answer for Duncan, KG gives them one. It's a simple as that. Amare isn't ready to match up against Duncan, definitely won't be for a couple years, and possibly might never be. KG is ready right now.

If I'm the Suns I try and get this trade done, then I call Jerry Buss and see if he's feeling frisky.

[Magus]

KG can't defend Duncan in the post for a 7 game series, sorry if you believe that.

[Mercenary-VD]

The Suns should just fold the franchise if they do that deal.


Supposedly it was a false report to begin with, but yeah you're right.

KG can't defend Duncan in the post for a 7 game series, sorry if you believe that.

Seriously? Is that the best reply you can come up with? At this point KG is an upgrade over Amare, and the franchise either has to play today or wait and hope on Amare. If the franchise is going to wait then whats the point of their current roster? They won't have Marion, and both Nash and Bell will be in their late 30's. The future isn't guarnteed, but they can definitely work something with what they have now.

[5KA]

Looks like KG might be a Golden State Warrior.

[shp]

Yeah..Chris Mullin basically had no real insight on why he picked Brandan Wright. If i recall correctly, Phoenix was trying to acquire a top 10 pick (to possibly pick a player McHale wants?). Looks like the dubs got it first. Now let's hope they don't fucking include Biedrins in the package for KG.