So Long Suckers

[kno[x]]

Awesome doom. I wouldn't say it is as good as their older works, but in no way is this a mediocre release. I still don't like this being the final album, though.

[sani]

I thought you were leaving, well shit.

[sd-]

yet you dont even mention the name of the band, it's almost like a private conversation between you and maybe 2 other people on the forums

[goldplatypus]

the band is Reverend Bizarre. never heard of them. if this is in the vein of candlemass/sabbath i'll check it out. i'm not huge into doom death

[bayz]

yet you dont even mention the name of the band, it's almost like a private conversation between you and maybe 2 other people on the forums

this whole forum is basically the same 4 people talking about BraAA METARARRRZ over and over with the occasional interjection of indie and other such things by TheMOB.

[goldplatypus]

this whole forum is basically the same 4 people talking about BraAA METARARRRZ over and over with the occasional interjection of indie and other such things by TheMOB.

fact.

[ruker]

What the hell is braa metararrz. What are you some sort of scene kid? Btw, enlighten us with some of your music.

[q]

']I wouldn't say it is as good as their older works, but in no way is this a mediocre release.

pm me some songs

and my old hard drive died so i lost all my kayo dot along with a ton of other music

[azul]

What the hell is braa metararrz. What are you some sort of scene kid? Btw, enlighten us with some of your music.

Your offense taken plays directly into his hand. His comment wasn't entirely directed at the majority of this forum's metal-scene's taste in music, but also at their... well, I'll leave it at that.

[LunaticWithCandy]

This is an unofficial minor metal forum. Accept it (http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=198).

[ruker]

I was unaware I had taken offense in it. It made no sense whatsoever to me, so shoot me.

[bayz]

What the hell is braa metararrz. What are you some sort of scene kid? Btw, enlighten us with some of your music.

lol

don't get me wrong, i actually like metal quite a bit (although I think 75% of it is absolutely terrible, it's rare to come across a good metal act these days)--metal is what got me into music in the first place. i just realized that there's tons of other great music out there. i don't mind the fact that this is pretty much a metal forum as long as people aren't bumbling dickheads about other peoples taste, which for the most part isn't happening.

i've noticed a lot of people that listen to metal ONLY listen to metal and deride everything else as "inferior" (read: you). i was once like this too, but then i realized i was being an arrogant re-re.

as for my musical taste, lately i've been really getting into Philip Glass and Jaga Jazzist. but keep making fun of me if you want, it's entertaining.

[azul]

I was unaware I had taken offense in it. It made no sense whatsoever to me, so shoot me.

I guess I misjudged your blind accusation that he was a "scene kid" and your challenging him to defend his own tastes. I'll put that in my filing cabinet under P for "Passive retort" so that I don't make the same mistake twice.

[kno[x]]

OT:

Azul, 2gig LLN pack? Y/N?

[azul]

That much LLN should not be allowed to exist together. Avoid it at all costs. Ask Cappy which 1% of all LLN bands are even remotely decent.

[Karms]

i listen to jewish metal

dreidel of filth

[LunaticWithCandy]

lol

don't get me wrong, i actually like metal quite a bit (although I think 75% of it is absolutely terrible, it's rare to come across a good metal act these days)--metal is what got me into music in the first place. i just realized that there's tons of other great music out there. i don't mind the fact that this is pretty much a metal forum as long as people aren't bumbling dickheads about other peoples taste, which for the most part isn't happening.

i've noticed a lot of people that listen to metal ONLY listen to metal and deride everything else as "inferior" (read: you). i was once like this too, but then i realized i was being an arrogant re-re.

as for my musical taste, lately i've been really getting into Philip Glass and Jaga Jazzist. but keep making fun of me if you want, it's entertaining.

I started getting into John Coltrane, Jan Hammer and Miles Davis lately. I realized that I like jazz for pretty much the same reasons I like metal, but with less pounding which is a nice break here and there.

[sani]

And I've been into Dave Brubeck, Compay Segundo and salsa (need to get ready for my wedding).

[azul]

Anybody check out Sting's new album where he interpreted a lot of John Dowland songs? It's pretty good.

[ruker]

When did i say everything besides metal is inferior? In fact, my music tastes are very balanced right now. I just hate how you guys stereo type metal fans as assholes that don't listen to anything but metal. BTW, that "its rare to come across a good metal act these days" quote sounds pretty ignorant to me, wouldn't you say? Or maybe your metal tastes differ from mine...whatever the case, didn't mean to lash out if it came out that way.

[Phormula]

That much LLN should not be allowed to exist together. Avoid it at all costs. Ask Cappy which 1% of all LLN bands are even remotely decent.

So true, remember Torture? :(

[kno[x]]

the band is Reverend Bizarre. never heard of them. if this is in the vein of candlemass/sabbath i'll check it out. i'm not huge into doom death

Not death doom at all. I dunno of a band to really compare them to. They aren't faster, up-tempo like Candlemass, but they also aren't stoned out like Electric Wizard. A lot of their songs are 10+ minutes but it isn't drone like Sunn. A mix of Electric Wizard and Candlemass is what I would best call them.

[azul]

When did i say everything besides metal is inferior? In fact, my music tastes are very balanced right now. I just hate how you guys stereo type metal fans as assholes that don't listen to anything but metal. BTW, that "its rare to come across a good metal act these days" quote sounds pretty ignorant to me, wouldn't you say?

I have no clue who you are and don't remember reading many if any posts by you, so I won't comment on whether or not bayz is right in saying you've cast off anything non-metal as "inferior' in the past. However he is absolutely correct in his generalization of the metal community. I'm enough a part of it to make that observation. But then again I have the awkward tenancy to write-off a lot of things as "metal" based on the mindset that was used in composing it or the general atmosphere that is meant to be created by the music. As far as I'm concerned Neptune Towers is as metal as Darkthrone is (read: was). Thus my collection of views on some non-metal musics isn't a good source to go by, really.

With respect to the difficulties of finding a good metal band these days, I won't say the situation is as dire as bayz is making it out to seem, but you must admit that the density of top-quality bands in the 80's and 90's was much higher than it is now. I don't think it's that there are less good bands as much as it is that there has been a great influx of generic, uninspired, crap.

Even the band in your signature, Vehemence, that released the brilliant God Was Created, reverted to garbage with Helping the World to See.

[goldplatypus]

;1537575']Not death doom at all. I dunno of a band to really compare them to. They aren't faster, up-tempo like Candlemass, but they also aren't stoned out like Electric Wizard. A lot of their songs are 10+ minutes but it isn't drone like Sunn. A mix of Electric Wizard and Candlemass is what I would best call them.

oh cool, i have some queued up in emule. you make it sound like orange goblin, i'm in

[ruker]

I see where you're coming from Azul...there is a lot of generic crap being poured out right now, but there is also some very good technical metal coming out too (Spawn of Possession, Pyscroptic, Gorod). I don't condone bands like Waking the Cadaver and Job For A Cowboy. Pretty much right now I play 90% metal on guitar, yet 0% on bass. Thats pretty much the only reason I only talk about metal so much. I never intend to attack peoples tastes, so I guess thats why I implied Bayz was some sort of a scene kid who gives nothing more than a biased view on music. I was wrong. As for Vehemence, God Was Created is def in my top 5 for metal albums. I don't think Helping The World To See is crap, though its very Hardcore inspired at times.

[azul]

HTWTS offered nothing new and, in comparison to it's predecessor, was an utter failure. It's probably for the best that they broke up before they could have tarnished their name even more.

Tech death is one of those genres that has been lucky enough to have not been infested with crap. The major problem is swedecore and new wave of american metal that has populated the front-lines of metal, having ridden in on the coat-tails of At The Gate's Slaughter of the Soul (quite possibly the second-worst blow to metal. For the first, read this interesting review: http://www.metal-archives.com/review.php?id=547#147)

Sadly, even many of the giants of yore have descended into mediocrity. Maiden has been in a slump since Seventh Son of a Seventh Son, all-be-it a slump laced here and there with some of their best songs. Judas Priest should have ended it with Painkiller, one of my personal Priest favorites. They should have definitely ended it when Halford left. Replacing him with Tim "The Ripper" Owens was probably the worst thing they could have ever done--they found the one man in heavy metal who can't sing. Angel of Retribution was a nice attempt, but sadly, not up to snuff. Black Sabbath died after Dio left--end of story. The Heaven and Hell Tour is enough proof in my opinion that the Dio years were better than the Ozzy years, although Sabbath will forever be identified with that second-rate vocalist.

As far as I am concerned, the only band to have survived the test of time is Running Wild. Pirate metal will never die!!

[ruker]

Heh, I see we are on complete opposite ends of the metal spectrum. Master Of Puppets imo was Metallica's best effort at a decent album. Its easy to say KEA was there best, but I feel they grew musically with MoP. Slaughter Of The Soul isn't my favorite At The Gates album but I wouldn't say it was a blow for metal. Maybe for thrash fans it was because it was considerably slower and much less difficult as previous works. But I feel that album can appeal to any metal fan thats open minded. And like them or not, Cannibal Corpse has stood the test of time (though its only been roughly 17 years). They are still, if not more, brutal than before and the technicality has not changed. Many might argue that most CC songs sound the same, but I just find that to be as ignorant as saying all Country is about your wife leaving or your dog dying.

BTW, even though Vehemence "broke up" they still play local shows. Which is a good thing because like you said, they can't tarnish there name anymore yet they can still play the songs that got them their following. Maybe HTWTS didn't offer anything new, but I'd rather bands use the "tried and true" method. Shit, I've even been listening to HTWTS more lately than GWC because there are some hidden riffs that just blow my socks off.

[azul]

Slaughter Of The Soul isn't my favorite At The Gates album but I wouldn't say it was a blow for metal. Maybe for thrash fans it was because it was considerably slower and much less difficult as previous works. But I feel that album can appeal to any metal fan thats open minded.

I consider it a huge blow because of the wave of crap that it ushered in. That album became the foundation for countless bands. Most of what we are subjected to State-side originates from SotS and some In Flames melodies, which themselves borrow heavily from Iron Maiden and some other NWOBHM bands; even Boston(!). It is strictly in the sense that the final At the Gates effort ushered in what has become mainstream metal in the new millennium that I consider it a thorn in the side of metal. The album itself I happen to enjoy very much--just not what it created.

As far as Metallica goes, I happen to agree with the review that they fell apart with the loss of Dave Mustaine. Interestingly enough, had he remained in Metallica, it may very well have been him who was killed on that fateful day, and not Cliff. All in all, I could care less about Metallica in the long run.

[kno[x]]

azul did you check pms? And I can send you anything you want of Reverend, platypus. I don't think I'm missing anything listed on m-a.

[goldplatypus]

I'm listening to In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend right now. real fuckin doom right here. i like it

[kno[x]]

Did you get the pm I sent you?

[bayz]

sorry to interupt the discussion, but...

I just hate how you guys stereo type metal fans as assholes that don't listen to anything but metal.

first of all, i said "a lot" (not all) of metal fans that only listen to metal are very one-sided dickish in their musical tastes, and all you have to do is go to any metal forum or talk to people in the real world who only listen to metal to realize this is true. this could be said of anyone who only listens to a specific genre, but i find it particularly true of metal listeners.

BTW, that "its rare to come across a good metal act these days" quote sounds pretty ignorant to me, wouldn't you say? Or maybe your metal tastes differ from mine...whatever the case, didn't mean to lash out if it came out that way.

and i said:

(although I think 75% of it is absolutely terrible, it's rare to come across a good metal act these days)

"i think" = my opinion.

anyway, i don't mean to come off as a dick, and maybe you aren't an arrogant metal douche, but it certainly came off that way with your initial response. i'm just growing sick of the whole musical elitism thing that i've seen everywhere.

[azul]

At least Palmy doesn't (or is it that he can't?) browse The Music Box anymore :p

[sani]

yourfavoriteweapon as well.

[bayz]

At least Palmy doesn't (or is it that he can't?) browse The Music Box anymore :p

yeah, he's banned. it's kind of funny because he was the one that really got me into "music" in the first place. cool guy but a complete elitist :p