Team Fortress 2 or Fortress Forever or Both? Which will you play?

[trance^E]

I know this has been done before, but with all the new information that has hit us the past week or two, I figured another poll was in order to measure things more accurately. I am cross-linking this poll in both the FF and TF2 threads just so there is no bias.

I personally am going to play both. This is assuming that FF is a nicer version of TFC with all the shit taken out (need for ramp slide, stuck on random walls, etc). TF2 i am undoubtedly going to play TF2 because its going to be fun meeting new people and having a huge community.

Feel free to select multiple choices. I threw TFC in there for the hell of it.

Edit: Try to post and explain why.

[Dinosaur Gas]

I will play all 3.

[Jarek]

all 3, but none competitively probably at least for a long time

[Cobalt]

shoulda put it in the tfc forum if you wanted to be 'fair' ;P

[Stayne]

All three, as time permits and as the player-base thrives.

[GhOsT]

I'll play TF2 and FF. However, I'll most likely only play with a clan in TF2. As for TFC, I'm pretty much done playing that now as it is. I don't see myself playing it much at all once the other 2 are here.

[sai]

tf2

[northern lights]

probably all 3 in this order..

TF2 > TFC > FF

I like playing multiple games so all is gravy w/ me

[caedere]

As soon as Sept. 17th rolls around, I'm done with TFC. I really don't have that much fun playing it anymore. I'll give both FF and TF2 a try, though I'm much more excited about the latter to be honest. I'm already looking at west coast server possibilities and am planning on forming a clan over here if the game is fun.

[trance^E]

As soon as Sept. 17th rolls around, I'm done with TFC. I really don't have that much fun playing it anymore. I'll give both FF and TF2 a try, though I'm much more excited about the latter to be honest. I'm already looking at west coast server possibilities and am planning on forming a clan over here if the game is fun.

yeah that is basically my exact mindset as well

[Death_Haven]

I hear you k-deer when the 17th rolls around I will be too busy checking out TF2/FF

[Nightwish]

I'm actually moderately surprised by the results of this poll so far. I plan to try both games, and I'll probably still pop into a TFC server now and then, but I don't really anticipate having much fun with or commitment to Valve's version of BF1942 with classes and ridiculous graphics.

[FlyMoto]

i voted all 3, but the only times i'll probably play tfc is when friends are playing it.

[BardonRedDeath]

shoulda put it in the tfc forum if you wanted to be 'fair' ;P

shoulda put this in the cesspool to make it COMPLETELy fair! :D

[HotSoup]

Time to move forward. TF2 only.

[NecMo]

TF2 only.

[Karms]

whichever runs better on this pc

if they both run bad im just gonna go play dod or cs

[Dion]

tf2

[VERSE]

TF2

[TriaD]

FF


Valve can go fuck themselves.

[ruker]

I'm not 4 years old, so FF ftw!

[Kartikeya-OD]

TF2.

[CHIPMAN]

To all of you saying TF2 only:

Are you saying this because you assume you're going to enjoy TF2 more based on what you've seen, or because you find it has one or more feature(s) that are appealing to you, or because you feel FF is the opposite of the previous 2?

I hope that makes sense, and doesn't sound rude -- its an honest question.
I'm mostly just curious if you plan to give FF a shot, or if you really do prefer the style you've seen from TF2's videos?

[aXeman]

Om going to play both FF and TF2, if they both loaded at exactly the same time, and I was to start one of them, I'd hafta sway the TF2 way.

[Commander]

probably clan in FF and pub in TF2

[PFSno]

I'm looking forward to playing TF2 as it will be a blast. I am also equally excited to see that all the annoying kids from TFC will isolate themselves in FF servers.

[janordy]

lol sno

[Kartikeya-OD]

To all of you saying TF2 only:

Are you saying this because you assume you're going to enjoy TF2 more based on what you've seen, or because you find it has one or more feature(s) that are appealing to you, or because you feel FF is the opposite of the previous 2?

I hope that makes sense, and doesn't sound rude -- its an honest question.
I'm mostly just curious if you plan to give FF a shot, or if you really do prefer the style you've seen from TF2's videos?

I say TF2 only because I am simply just tired of standard Fortress play as found in TFC. I need an entirely different take on Fortress game play and TF2 looks like it. FF is too close to TFC for my personal taste. I will try it, however I am going to put more time and effort into TF2.

[Griffith-]

why isnt there an option for none ;[


honestly if i play any it will be TF2 but only on xbox 360. playing games on the computer doesn't really peak my interest anymore. after so many years of playing first person shooters with a keyboard and mouse, i'm just kind of bored with it.

[sPloOsH]

TF2 because it'll have a community...

[Loser]

i'll play both FF and TF2, but will most probably end up concentrating on that which piques my interest more. as for TFC, i doubt i'll play it much after this coming monday.

STA 9v9 matches on monday might be kinda sparse :eek:

[[=PR=]Renegade]

all 3 for sure, i dont see my self not playing tfc onece ff and tf2 comes out.

[Prizzo]

I'm looking forward to playing TF2 as it will be a blast. I am also equally excited to see that all the annoying kids from TFC will isolate themselves in FF servers.

bingo

[Janus]

I will play both but probably lean towards FF.

[lockss]

TF2 and FF but whatever is better for clans and community i will stick with.

[The_Carnage]

i dont think FF is gona hold up to TF2 imo, i will deff play both for a while and pry go to the one that simply
plays the best/ the community goes to

[Frag]

tf2 is for fags
ff is for fags
tfc is for fags



i kid, i kid. ill be playing tf2 and ff

[DrOa]

TF2 and FF

[L0ki]

I've played tfc maybe 3 times since 2005, so I'm looking forward to trying both FF and TF2 out. Reasoning:

FF: Stoked to see how much the game has progressed since I left the dev team. The list of features/additions/changes looked awesome, so I can't wait to actually be able to play the game and check them all out.

TF2: Looks like it could be a blast to pub on. I genuinely got tired of how often TFC devolved into nothing but spam fests, so it should be interesting to see how the game plays without grenades :o

[AKA-KK]

FF for real

tf2 for fun

tfc for real fun

[CZ_]

i believe both will be played actively and competively, FF will not have as much public server publicity, but they will both co-exist.

[Smeg]

All three...

Since I don't own hl2 in any form I will dl it this weekend. Prolly grab ff tonight just to have it.

If I had to pay for both, I would choose TF2. Since I don't have hl2 already and have to buy it anyways I might as well try both. Since ff is free I will try it and see how it goes.

I hope that made sense.

Nutshell, if I had to pay for both games, I would just do TF2.

[Redneck]

Both. TF2 is watered down TFC but the amount of players will probably warrant me playing. I'm still very excited about FF though.

[kaww]

FF is a disappointment and most of the people playing it will be the same idiots that ruined what was left of TFC.

TF2. Although I don't know how I'll handle the embarrassment of playing a CARTOON GAME OH NO! I want all my games to look bland and uninspired (FF), any art direction or sense of creativity makes the game watered down and for kiddies!

[schtoofa]

FF is a disappointment and most of the people playing it will be the same idiots that ruined what was left of TFC.

TF2. Although I don't know how I'll handle the embarrassment of playing a CARTOON GAME OH NO! I want all my games to look bland and uninspired (FF), any art direction or sense of creativity makes the game watered down and for kiddies!

Bummer that you were disappointed with FF, but I guess that's influenced by expectations (which were high for a lot of people, understandably). Hope not about the same idiots playing it part. We've made a pretty decent effort to get non-[recent or not]-TFC players in FF. We'll see how it goes.

[aXeman]

When I finally got home from work, and downloaded FF, I was overjoyed with the amount of REAL PEOPLE in the FF servers...made for a great variety, and I have to say, the voice comm thingy sounds great..like almost ventrilo quality...had a blast with people i've never TF'd with before...new people in the community...awesome.

Again thanks guys for all your effort.

[ruker]

FF is a disappointment and most of the people playing it will be the same idiots that ruined what was left of TFC.

Thats a little harsh don't you think? Considering a lot of old school players are coming back to play it. Won't even comment about the uninspired part since it sounds like you're just trying to be a sour puss and I don't think you know the meaning of inspired. Hell even if you did, you (nor I) would know what was inspired in FF. Hope your standards aren't as high for TF2 as they were for FF.

[C-Aim]

Crap I'm a retard, voted TF2 instead of FF by accident...

I won't be getting TF2 on principle until they release TF2, Portal, and EP2 for $30-$40 together. Also, FF is so awesome even with the bugs that I couldn't care less about TF2 right now.

[Naufragus]

Hey guys! Did you hear about Madden '09? It's two hand touch and instead of getting touchdowns, you throw the ball through a hoop. I think I've made my point.

[klob-]

wheres css?

[hawk]

Hey guys! Did you hear about Madden '09? It's two hand touch and instead of getting touchdowns, you throw the ball through a hoop. I think I've made my point.
At least it's only a weekend until you people like you stop talking about what a nerfed game TF2 is going to be. Why won't you just wait until you play the game to see how deep it is. Every time I read posts like this I get an image of a naked retard running around screaming hysterically "OMG NO CONCS AND GRENADES."

It's this same mentality that is ultimately going to ruin FF. It's TFC with better graphics and worse gameplay. The only thing that partially excited while playing FF me was the new maps. Other than that playing SD2 and Well was boring to say the least.

If you aren't tired of TFC, knock yourself out and play FF.

[kaww]

Thats a little harsh don't you think? Considering a lot of old school players are coming back to play it. Won't even comment about the uninspired part since it sounds like you're just trying to be a sour puss and I don't think you know the meaning of inspired. Hell even if you did, you (nor I) would know what was inspired in FF. Hope your standards aren't as high for TF2 as they were for FF.

Its not a bad mod, it just doesn't feel right to me so I'll pass on it. If other people enjoy it, great. But don't cry about criticism when half the people here have already dubbed TF2 a dumbed down version of TFC before they've even come close to playing it. Not all of us want to keep playing the same game for another 10 years.

[kuku]

pre-ordering TF2 on monday.. i got convinced into playing FF and honestly its not that bad.

i picked up bunnyhop again pretty quickly in it and it does look pretty good.

but i might stick more to TF2, since im not much of a fan of grenades.

[discreet]

I'm sticking with ff, i think its amazing and have personally had no problems with it. the one thing that annoys me is the death messages sometimes disappearing but that's a bug and it will be fixed. TF2 doesn't look very fun, from the videos i have seen. Just look at the scout, "sup guys I'm gonna run really really fast and get the flag, don't need any kind of advanced movement." I mean it just doesn't look like a game that can be played seriously in leagues, and I'm really looking forward to playing competitively again in leagues for FF.

[kaww]

I'm sticking with ff, i think its amazing and have personally had no problems with it. the one thing that annoys me is the death messages sometimes disappearing but that's a bug and it will be fixed. TF2 doesn't look very fun, from the videos i have seen. Just look at the scout, "sup guys I'm gonna run really really fast and get the flag, don't need any kind of advanced movement." I mean it just doesn't look like a game that can be played seriously in leagues, and I'm really looking forward to playing competitively again in leagues for FF.

Why does a game need conc jumping and bunnyhopping to be played competitively?

[ruker]

Because TFC without bhop/concing is DoD. Don't you understand TFC's movement is why people played this game for so long? Hence the reason why people are calling TF2 dumbed down. Yes, it doesn't need it, but it adds to excitement. And calling FF the same game as TFC is laughable. I'm glad you chose TF2 over FF, it's your choice. Have fun playing TF for dumbies. :D

Why don't you knock on some of the core TFC'ers again, that one gave me a great laugh.

[Milosenpotion]

You can't even bhop dude lol

[bottle^]

the bhop in ff is pretty slow and really dumbed down. just about everything is easier that i've seen so far except for sniping. if anything is tfc for dummies i'd have to say it's ff unfortunately

[Cent]

the bhop in ff is pretty slow

Slow? have you tried to bunny hop off a conc yet?

[bottle^]

yes and it's pretty nice but it brings you back down after a few jumps anyway so it's more of a skim instead of bhop. strafing is pretty limited so everyone is bhopping/skimming in straight lines too.

[Klone]

the bhop in ff is pretty slow and really dumbed down. just about everything is easier that i've seen so far except for sniping. if anything is tfc for dummies i'd have to say it's ff unfortunately

I agree with this. FF spy makes TFC spy look like climbing mount everest. Blue pipes are insanely easy to hit people with compared to TFC. You no longer have to crouch at the right time to rampslide. Everything in FF is easier than it is in TFC. I don't see how you can consider TF2 a dumbed down version of TFC, because its a brand new game, not a copy of TFC with better graphics. It will have a bunch of new skills to learn.

[Klone]

I don't understand why all you people are so obsessed with bunny hopping. The only reason why bhopping is necessary in TFC is because everybody else bhops. I think you all are so in love with bhopping because you feel like you're good when you're pressing all those buttons at the same time. You bhop lovers need to get over yourselves and realize games can have plenty of other skills to learn.

[discreet]

you also gotta remember that FF is version 1.0, which means plenty of updates and changes/bug fixes where they are needed. Most if not all online games have lots of shit wrong with them when the first release, do to a strict deadline.

tbqh i think the bhop is fine, its much easier for new people to learn because you don't need to worry about a cap. and i dont think FF is a graphically updated version of TFC, most of the people ive talked to who don't like FF sound like they are too attached to TFC and don't want to learn a new, but similar game.



Edit: why TF2 doesnt really appeal to me is because of the lack of advanced movement, if i wanted a point and shoot game i would play CoD2. But i can't completely knock TF2 because i havnt played it yet, but tbqh im very happy with FF.

[Klone]

I understand you like to bhop, but just because a game has no bhopping doesn't mean its a point and click newbie game. If you like advanced movement, you might like the scout class in TF2, but not every class is going to be able to move like that. That's the reason why they took out grenades, they want each class to be a different experience. In TFC every class is about bhopping and throwing grenades at people.

[bottle^]

there really isn't much to learn in ff, just the same old game made easier so that it's newbie friendly which isn't a bad thing, but i'd rather have something new and refreshing. I find ff to be incredibly easy but less stable so why would I play this over tfc? only reason would be because of a larger community but tf2 will be even bigger.

the bhop and movement is definitely off. it feels like you get less acceleration in the air due to limited strafing, but i'm not sure lolz. seems like it's actually slower than it feels because the maps are so tiny

[discreet]

i dunno, i still have my doubts, it would just feel wrong to run to a flag and grab it. That is one of my favorite things of TFC: movement. If FF dies out and TF2 plays how it looks, ill probably just give up. Even if FF can last in leagues for 2 years, i would be more than happy.

[Blashy]

I mean it just doesn't look like a game that can be played seriously in leagues, and I'm really looking forward to playing competitively again in leagues for FF.

Halo 2 is IMO the simplest FPS to learn and yet it is the one FPS that has had a year long league for the pass three years that pays pretty damn well and the pro teams get sponsors. They don't even have classes...

People forget there is a BIG difference between knowing everything that can be done and executing them, if they were not everyone would be king in Halo 2 and that is not so.

TF2 offers the same thing, easy to learn the game fast, but you'll always have this one guy on a server who'll destroy you as a scout and when you try you get blown to bits.

[ruker]

Klone's just mad that his bhop.dll doesn't work while he's running his knife hacks. You're cleaver klone, but not that cleaver!

[kaww]

Because TFC without bhop/concing is DoD. Don't you understand TFC's movement is why people played this game for so long? Hence the reason why people are calling TF2 dumbed down. Yes, it doesn't need it, but it adds to excitement. And calling FF the same game as TFC is laughable. I'm glad you chose TF2 over FF, it's your choice. Have fun playing TF for dumbies. :D

Why don't you knock on some of the core TFC'ers again, that one gave me a great laugh.

Please, I've played this game since 1999, I don't give two fucks about core TFCers. Yes, people played competitive TFC for a long time, probably because of all the "advanced" movements (aka doing the same easy shit everybody does to move a little faster). But the casual player base died out a long time ago, and do you know why? Bunnyhopping. Amazingly, some people don't like that, and want a new game where an exploit hasn't taken complete control of the game play.

I guess some people just need to bunnyhop to be any good at games, enjoy your mod.

And calling FF the same as TFC is a compliment, as thats basically what they were trying to do.

[schwaBAM]

And calling FF the same as TFC is a compliment, as thats basically what they were trying to do.
They were? SINCE WHEN?!

[ruker]

Good to know you don't give a fuck about yourself. And the player base died because people have lives. But I'm beginning to sense that you can't bhop. I really feel sorry for you, I do. TFC has been around 8 years and you never once got it down, now it's on it's death bed and all you can do is be a negative nancy. I'm glad people like you are choosing TF2 so I can have a fun time and not worry about some 8 year old newb thats still crying over a part of the game.

[Cobalt]

Lol. Varuker, you might wanna know who you're making fun of before you open your pie hole.

[Aic]

Kawwsome.

[Mr_Rage`H]

imobbq the overall feeling I got from the FF development over the last year(s) was that they were trying to make TFC for the source engine. For an independent mod team, they've come really fucking close, and did an excellent job. If I had any motivation to play the same game for another 8-9 years, I'd definitely end up getting sucked into FF.

I never learned to completely bhop... never really bothered. And it never bothered me that most people could do it better than I could. I got along pretty well in Silver-to-Gold level matches without it. I don't think bhop is as integral to TF as people make it out to be. The ones who truly do hold it up on the throne, are generally the ones whose only real skill in the game is bhop.

TFC is a lot of unique things in the FPS world. Movement is one thing, the different classes and overall apparent "speed" of the game are others. But overall, I feel that nades, however, are what define TFC. And as fun as TFC has been, I would love to live in a world without them and see how 9 unique player classes really play out. Most of what is considered a part of TFC (among the so-called "core" players) was not considered a part of it during its development.

On that note, I think it's absolutely hilarious who some people consider to be the "core" of TFC. 30+, FOoM, K}{R, AGT, nLv and other clans that have kept the game alive are the core of TFC. Your average 18 year old teenager, who's been in more clans than Aic has been in asian vaginas, knows how to shit-talk, say the word "nigger," prime grenades, and bunnyhop, is not the core of TFC, and should never be misconstrued as such.

I couldn't care less about the graphics, although personally I love the route they've gone with TF2. FF has its own appeal, and I enjoy it -- but always with the grain of salt that I'm basically looking at TFC with new graphics and a few tweaks. Anyone who argues differently about this is deluding themselves... FF is in all technicalities a different game, but it's the same premise and a very similar execution (this was the intent, as far as I know).

To each his own, but I don't want to play TFC for another 8 years. In the 5-10 pickups I've played, FF is already beginning to play in the same manner (perhaps it's because we're playing the same 3 maps that we've been playing for 8 years?). The new community is great, and it's awesome to see how much new blood FF has brought to a premise like TFC. But TF2 will bring a greater community.

FF will have a place in my heart for the time being, but it's my transitional game, and will probably remain that way. At the very, very least, the FF team has the most impressive Source mod to date, and if I were any one of them, I'd stamp it on my resume, quit my day job, and start looking for a job that really puts their obvious talents to work.

With that said (and obviously jumping to conclusions, having not played TF2, and merely going off of what I've seen/played from FF), my game will likely be TF2.

Good day, gentlemen.

[discreet]

god dammit

[kaww]

Good to know you don't give a fuck about yourself. And the player base died because people have lives. But I'm beginning to sense that you can't bhop. I really feel sorry for you, I do. TFC has been around 8 years and you never once got it down, now it's on it's death bed and all you can do is be a negative nancy. I'm glad people like you are choosing TF2 so I can have a fun time and not worry about some 8 year old newb thats still crying over a part of the game.

hahahahaha, who are you again?

{FL} - [SoCal] - [-T-] - {SoL} - [RzP] - -SIN-

nice resume you are surely a TFC legend just look at all those clans hooooooWEEEEEE!

They were? SINCE WHEN?!

I don't know if you're kidding or not but just because they made some changes/tweaks doesn't mean it isn't basically the same game.

[schwaBAM]

Sarcasm. You big smelly fart.

[GhOsT]

And the player base died because people have lives.

The TFC player base died because not enough new people started playing the game to make up for the people leaving who had lives. The game is 8 years old. You can't expect everyone to stick with the game constantly for that amount of time.

Fewer new people means fewer people for clans to recruit from. This then means that clans start dying off because they can't find new people to stay active. Other clans then snatch the players from the clans that disbanded since again there's few new players. The cycle then just continues as the number of people playing TFC dwindle.

FF needs people from outside this community to start playing it and stick with it if there's going to be any hope of building up a substantial player base. If not then you'll see the same thing happen in FF that is happening in TFC now.

[discreet]

ive talked to some pubbers in FF who are very interested in league, ive been helping outsiders as much as i can.

[Blashy]

Good to know you don't give a fuck about yourself. And the player base died because people have lives.

Not so.

Sunday September 16th:

TFC 933 players

Old Games/Mods:
Counter-Strike 92967 players
Counter-Strike: Condition Zero 8715 players
Day of Defeat 6110 players
Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory (Jaymod) 4000 players
Call of Duty (United Offensive) 3003 players

Halo 2 has 16000 people playing at this time.

So some of them are not mods, they are still old games and being played allot more than TFC. Why? Mass appeal.

These games are easier and faster to learn than TFC (I did not say MASTER, but learn). the game died because it does not have appeal for new players. Conc jumps & Bhop you can't learn without having someone explain it to you or do some research on the web or allot of trial and error. Most people join a game to have fun and kick back a hard learning curve kills that.

And the spam can be a big turn off as well.

And old game can easily last 10 years with a big following.

[Cobalt]

ive talked to some pubbers in FF who are very interested in league, ive been helping outsiders as much as i can.
well good for you. I don't agree with your choice of game but it's people like you FF needs, not the "let's lock odins within one day because some newbie shot me from across the yard and so i raged him" crowd

[VisioN]

Because TFC without bhop/concing is DoD. Don't you understand TFC's movement is why people played this game for so long? Hence the reason why people are calling TF2 dumbed down. Yes, it doesn't need it, but it adds to excitement. And calling FF the same game as TFC is laughable. I'm glad you chose TF2 over FF, it's your choice. Have fun playing TF for dumbies. :D

Why don't you knock on some of the core TFC'ers again, that one gave me a great laugh.

I played this game because it had a tremendous amount of teamwork that was needed to be successful at this game. Sure CS and DoD take some teamwork, but not as much as this game does. That is the main reason why I played this game for so long. No other game was like that as far as teamwork goes. Movement skills don't exactly excite me to play a game more, hopefully I'm not the only one who thinks that. All I want is a game with good gameplay and something that takes a lot of teamwork required to be successful and I'll be happy.

[JaGz]

Hey guys! Did you hear about Madden '09? It's two hand touch and instead of getting touchdowns, you throw the ball through a hoop. I think I've made my point.

considering madden is just as dead and washed up as TFC...? it needed a new face, and they're trying something new.

FF is tight btw

[Toastie]

How exactly is TF2 without nades nerfed? You'll actually have to use your weapons, and honestly there arent that many people that can even in TFC so i think this game has something to offer as far as getting good at a game again. Hopefully TF2 holds true to some aspects of TFC and doesnt let down.

FF was much better than i expected... however its hard to really get enthused about it because you can play it for 30 mins and already become somewhat good at it. FF is still at an infantile(is that a word?) stage and if they continue to upkeep it, i think it will become a really good game.

[Toastie]

grr2doublepost

[kaww]

Hey guys! Did you hear about Madden '09? It's two hand touch and instead of getting touchdowns, you throw the ball through a hoop. I think I've made my point.

Yes because changing two things (grenades, bunnyhopping) in a FPS sequel is the same as completely changing the rules of a sport.

I wonder if there were hardcore Super Mario fans back in the day that went fucking apeshit when Mario 2 and 3 weren't EXACTLY the same. WHAT THE FUCK YOU CAN'T JUMP AT A FLAG POLE ANY MORE THIS IS BULLSHIT NINTENDO IS FUCKING US AGAIN THAT WAS A PART OF THE CORE GAMEPLAY

[Blashy]

Yes because changing two things (grenades, bunnyhopping) in a FPS sequel is the same as completely changing the rules of a sport.

I wonder if there were hardcore Super Mario fans back in the day that went fucking apeshit when Mario 2 and 3 weren't EXACTLY the same. WHAT THE FUCK YOU CAN'T JUMP AT A FLAG POLE ANY MORE THIS IS BULLSHIT NINTENDO IS FUCKING US AGAIN THAT WAS A PART OF THE CORE GAMEPLAY

Spam, bhop and conc jumps were never intended to be PART of the gameplay in the first place.

Anyways, you can play FF

[Pimpmaster 5000]

Not so.

Sunday September 16th:

TFC 933 players


wow, that's more than I thought it'd be.

[16Valve]

I'm sticking with ff, i think its amazing and have personally had no problems with it. the one thing that annoys me is the death messages sometimes disappearing but that's a bug and it will be fixed. TF2 doesn't look very fun, from the videos i have seen. Just look at the scout, "sup guys I'm gonna run really really fast and get the flag, don't need any kind of advanced movement." I mean it just doesn't look like a game that can be played seriously in leagues, and I'm really looking forward to playing competitively again in leagues for FF.

"sup guys I'm gonna conc then Bhop right to the flag, grab it before anyone has a chance to stop me".

If EVERYONE is hopping all over the place, then what difference is there? It's just a "fast fest".
"Advanced movement"? If anything, the FF guys dumbed down bhop so it's not hard at all anymore. And if that's the case, then what "advanced movement" are you talking about anyway?? There's nothing advanced about it. I could barelt Bhop in TFC but in FF, I'm flying. So is everyone else.

Also, it has yet to be seen whether or not TF2 has anything like bhop (though I'm sure the usuals will be hopping all over the place just in case or just out of habit :P ). Give it a few more hours and we'll know for sure.

[16Valve]

wow, that's more than I thought it'd be.


900 of them were bots.

[oPey]

there really isn't much to learn in ff, just the same old game made easier so that it's newbie friendly which isn't a bad thing, but i'd rather have something new and refreshing. I find ff to be incredibly easy but less stable so why would I play this over tfc? only reason would be because of a larger community but tf2 will be even bigger.

the bhop and movement is definitely off. it feels like you get less acceleration in the air due to limited strafing, but i'm not sure lolz. seems like it's actually slower than it feels because the maps are so tiny

my thoughts exactly bottle

[kuku]

tf2.

[SithDrummer]

probably FF, definitely TF2

[Bad Luck]

I uninstalled FF after playing a few times for an hour total.

I played TF2 for 4 hours straight after loading it the first time.

TF2 won me over.