the hype .... no

[OhGr]

imo, I find the game to be semi fun but watered down to much to even enjoy.

after a good hour solid I realize how fucking boring this game is , no ability, no real talent to play just watered down run and gun... very big disapointment. Everything seems like it's in slowmo. The movement is horrid and respawn timers in TF.

Im still gonna give this some more time but highly doubtful it's gonna last.
and for this community I could almost bet league won't last long either. People here are to hardcore speed and "ability" to see this game go 9 yrs.

[Sutterkane]

When are people like you going to get it. A majority of game players do not want to play something for a long time that requires mastering numerous skillsets in order to be any good at. See: Counterstrike

Also, most of the people like you cannot see beyond these forums which has maybe at best 100 people viewing them at the same time. There are also maybe 400 people in north america that played tfc at the end of its existence. There are shitloads of people that want to play tf2 outside of the "vast" tfc community. There were 600 people alone just in an unofficial tf2 irc channel last night at midnight.

If you think tf2 is watered down run and gun maybe you should try playing as a teammate more instead of trying to go rambo and take everybody down.

[Jackal_]

I dont get how people are able to pass judgement on the game within 24 hours of it being out. Give it time, people will discover new tricks and im sure that aspects of gameplay will become skill based. I think it was Milo that said it best: "you act like you loaded up tfc and immediately bhopped into another universe."

People ran in straight lines when tfc started and the gameplay had NO resemblance to what it is today. Patience.

[MoonGuardian]

ahhaha - this game is fantastic. I'm finding all these little quirks to it that help here and there.

This game is REALLY showing what a TEAM game should be. I couldn't tell you the size of the grin I had when we had a TRAIN of medics on dustbowl, behind a heavy weapons. hahahhaa. I was laughing my ass off sooo hard.

You sir, can play FF. As many of us still will play FF, you just might not find a good number of new players in it, because of certain things mentioned by sutter.

[OhGr]

ok let me make it so you do get it.

First off I do and have played more outside of these forums and other muilti player games aside from TFC I have been involved in more FPS games tourny wise than just TFC.

I play as a team and always have. The fact that others want to play a game like this is fine, like I said it was my own opinion on it and passing judgement on FIRST IMPRESSIONS will happen.

next up to add to your comment about people do not want to play a game that takes a long time to master is only personal opinion some love a challenge some don't.

I understand people haven't learned the tricks yet or anything to make it more interesting but on first impressions this game is watered down, slow as fuck and has respawn timers.

It would have been nice to see them not spend so much time on eye candy and actually focus more on the game which it's clear they didn't they made it to make sales regardless of anything in the end that is what its about.

I know where both of you are coming from with your comments to me cause I been on ur side seeing someone post like this before but I had to get it out and share my opinion the game is so far feeling horrible, maybe If I can get in a server with people I know and get it to be a little more enjoyable my thouhgts might change but so far its lookin still grim.

[primer]

I dont get how people are able to pass judgement on the game within 24 hours of it being out.

im pretty sure there were plenty of ppl that stated on these boards that they played FF for 5 mins, and will never play it again. 24 hours is too long!

[killu`]

im pretty sure there were plenty of ppl that stated on these boards that they played FF for 5 mins, and will never play it again. 24 hours is too long!

they're faggots then. FF is a great game, it actually requires skills to master for every class just like TFC.

[Levicon]

i dunno whats going on in this thread, but I felt it necessary to point out...
When are people like you going to get it. A majority of game players do not want to play something for a long time that requires mastering numerous skillsets in order to be any good at. See: Counterstrike....
Top 3 games are ALL COUNTERSTRIKE... (http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=stats&)
#1 - Counter-Strike @ 6.699 billion Player Minutes/Month
#2 - Counter-Strike: Source @ 1.947 billion Player Minutes/Month
#3 - Counter-Strike Condition Zero @ 828.578 million Player Minutes/Month

So try again?

[MeestarK]

He means that people don't want to learn 1000 different skills and spend half their lives playing a game to be good, like Counterstrike, where you don't need to dedicated your life to the game to be good.

[Ultima]

Sutter I think his point was, if you played a game like TFC for so long and you're used to the speed and skillful gameplay, you probably wont like a slow-paced game that requires little skill. Everyone has their own opinion about it and I'm sure a ton of people are going to play it, but it's meant to draw in a new crowd of players. The hardcore TFC players will probably play FF, other than that TF2 is going to be a completely new crowd of people.

[Pritz]

The game is fun but like it was said the game is water down. This has nothing to do with me comparing it to TFC or anything.

I would compare it to playing Halo PC. The game just became really easy and you would walk slow and do insane damage. The game just wasn't very challenging at all anymore.

The game is fun but has very little lasting appeal for more then a few weeks/months.

[Ignatz]

What the hell is "skill" anyway. It's just tapping buttons in the end... oh and getting the best scripts, that sure as hell takes a lot of skill :rolleyes:

[Stayne]

What the hell is "skill" anyway. It's just tapping buttons in the end... oh and getting the best scripts, that sure as hell takes a lot of skill :rolleyes:

Are you arguing that the only difference between platinum TFC and bronze was scripts?

please... you know better than that.

[OhGr]

you nailed it ultima, thnx.

I am enjoying it to an extent I just wanna get into a pub with like some close buds who we all enjoy gaming together and really see how it works on some CP maps, so far those are the only maps that will keep me sitting and trying over and over those are Very fun.

but overall I still have same thought "watered down" but it has to be expected the game was also made to be handled on consoles so it wouldn't really be high flying action packed, console couldn't handle the functions needed to perform a lot of "TFC like" stuff.

onto more CP maps ... :)

[Sutterkane]

Everyone saying this game isn't anything like tfc is making it more appealing to me since I haven't gotten a chance to play it yet. TFC was fun, but after 8 years of it, I don't want the same thing. FF isn't a bad mod, but the only thing I have fun doing is playing spy and sabotaging sgs.

#1 - Counter-Strike @ 6.699 billion Player Minutes/Month
#2 - Counter-Strike: Source @ 1.947 billion Player Minutes/Month
#3 - Counter-Strike Condition Zero @ 828.578 million Player Minutes/Month

So try again?

How about you try reading. Did you really think I was trying to say that nobody played counterstrike? Thanks to Mr.K for clarification to all the dumbasses out there.

Ultima: That's exactly my point. The TF community needs new blood very badly. There are a lot of people who have "come back" for FF, but honestly since the gameplay is exactly the same how long do you think they'll stick around? They already got tired of tfc once and retired. I guess they'll retire in a year and wait for hl4 and ff2 to come out. CS and DOD have huge communities and loads of servers that get played on. Yes that is the case currently for ff, but the mod was just released less than a week ago.

[Stayne]

Sutter.. how can you say no one plays CS? Jeez yer dumb.

[5p`]

The hardcore TFC players will probably play FF, other than that TF2 is going to be a completely new crowd of people.

did anyone else get a weird feeling about seeing TF2 avi's released by a bunch of people who nobody knows? it's just weird that the sequel game appears that it will be barren of the players who loved the original.

[Phenom]

I'd say cs takes some skill to play. Especially when you get to the competitive side of things and there are a TON of people doing that. I played TF2 and personally wasn't impressed. Whether its not a good game or not will be based on the longevity of it. If it passes the test of time its decent otherwise it was 8 years of waiting for crap.

[SilentKill]

ahhaha - this game is fantastic. I'm finding all these little quirks to it that help here and there.

This game is REALLY showing what a TEAM game should be. I couldn't tell you the size of the grin I had when we had a TRAIN of medics on dustbowl, behind a heavy weapons. hahahhaa. I was laughing my ass off sooo hard.

You sir, can play FF. As many of us still will play FF, you just might not find a good number of new players in it, because of certain things mentioned by sutter.

I only quoted that for one word. Train. Anyone played well yet?

I had a HW guy about to rape me and he was standing on the tracks as the train came. Not only did the train kill him, but it killed his medic behind him and the cloaked spy behind the medic. I fell outta my chair in tears.

[GhOsT]

Sutter I think his point was, if you played a game like TFC for so long and you're used to the speed and skillful gameplay, you probably wont like a slow-paced game that requires little skill. Everyone has their own opinion about it and I'm sure a ton of people are going to play it, but it's meant to draw in a new crowd of players. The hardcore TFC players will probably play FF, other than that TF2 is going to be a completely new crowd of people.

Great! That means a fresh new look on the game instead of having a bunch of people start playing with a pre-conceived notion on how things should be. That right there is why I will not be joining a clan for FF.

[OhGr]

Great! That means a fresh new look on the game instead of having a bunch of people start playing with a pre-conceived notion on how things should be. That right there is why I will not be joining a clan for FF.

I feel the same way, maybe it's a CNY feeling lol but either way man it's torn thoughts on what to do with the games I think even tho this is beta of TF2 It looks damn near polished I doubt any or much changes will be made for release, just have to wait and see when that happens how "fixed" FF has become before I decide myself where to stay.

CP maps are becoming more and more fun as I go but holy hell do I hate spies atm..

[caedere]

lol silly llamacon :p

[trance^E]

When are people like you going to get it. A majority of game players do not want to play something for a long time that requires mastering numerous skillsets in order to be any good at. See: Counterstrike

Also, most of the people like you cannot see beyond these forums which has maybe at best 100 people viewing them at the same time. There are also maybe 400 people in north america that played tfc at the end of its existence. There are shitloads of people that want to play tf2 outside of the "vast" tfc community. There were 600 people alone just in an unofficial tf2 irc channel last night at midnight.

If you think tf2 is watered down run and gun maybe you should try playing as a teammate more instead of trying to go rambo and take everybody down.


i never agreed with anything coming out of sutterkanes mouth until now

[TriaD]

When are people like you going to get it. A majority of game players do not want to play something for a long time that requires mastering numerous skillsets in order to be any good at. See: Counterstrike

Also, most of the people like you cannot see beyond these forums which has maybe at best 100 people viewing them at the same time. There are also maybe 400 people in north america that played tfc at the end of its existence. There are shitloads of people that want to play tf2 outside of the "vast" tfc community. There were 600 people alone just in an unofficial tf2 irc channel last night at midnight.

If you think tf2 is watered down run and gun maybe you should try playing as a teammate more instead of trying to go rambo and take everybody down.




Thats not exactly fair to say. I just talked with 3 friends last night that didnt even know what FF was or that it was out. The real reason so many people want to play TF2 is that its been hyped up and marketed all over valve. If FF had the same marketing campaign, you would be seeing similar numbers. Plus, no one knew what the gameplay would be like 100% and you cant say that TF2 only attracted the "easy" crowd.

[Levicon]

Oh lol, I'm sorry. Yes CS requires no skill and has no learning curve, how silly of me... Please continue...

[Sufjan]

Shut up dumbshit. Obviously CS has a learning curve, but it's nowhere near TFC's.

[beano]

im 100% with you sutter.. this game is not watered down at all.. im sorry you might have to adapt to a different game speed.. i mean if you like a challenge.. then play the new game, not the pile of shit you call FF that is virtually TFC but shittier.. whoever is saying you want a challenge, play a fucking different game. there is barely a skill curve in FF because it is the same as TFC. TF2 has much more potential than you are all giving it, and remind yourself, this is a BETA.

[schwaBAM]

I only quoted that for one word. Train. Anyone played well yet?

I had a HW guy about to rape me and he was standing on the tracks as the train came. Not only did the train kill him, but it killed his medic behind him and the cloaked spy behind the medic. I fell outta my chair in tears.

Lol that sounds awesome. I havent tried well yet!

[Cent]

This game is amazing.

[Ezekiel2517]

haha TF2 might possibly be one of the worst games ever created.. id rather play Richochet all day then play TF2 for 10 mins... or waiting to respawn for 10 mins :confused:

[Bad Luck]

I don't understand why they put respawn timers in the game, it makes no sense to wait. I also think the scout is a bit overpowered, he can kill the HW in 6 or 7 hits with the bat. I still can't decide if I like it or not.

Why the fuck is the black demoman Irish?

[Nemesis]

I feel the same way, maybe it's a CNY feeling lol but either way man it's torn thoughts on what to do with the games I think even tho this is beta of TF2 It looks damn near polished I doubt any or much changes will be made for release, just have to wait and see when that happens how "fixed" FF has become before I decide myself where to stay.

CP maps are becoming more and more fun as I go but holy hell do I hate spies atm..

Totally agree with spies, I get killed every two damn seconds by them.

[Nemesis]

I don't understand why they put respawn timers in the game, it makes no sense to wait. I also think the scout is a bit overpowered, he can kill the HW in 6 or 7 hits with the bat. I still can't decide if I like it or not.

Why the fuck is the black demoman Irish?

go through the commentary shit, it explains a lot of why they did what in the game, and it all makes pretty much perfect sense.

[sai]

when i first started pubbing in tfc there were servers with spawn delays. after a while, all the servers took this feature off. i'm sure the same will happen for tf2. it sucks for now, but you just need to give it time.

it's only been out 1 day and is in beta, btw.

[Kartikeya-OD]

#1 Counter-Strike @ 98,348
#2 Counter-Strike: Source @ 49,357
#3 Counter-Strike Condition Zero @ 14,759
#4 Team Fortress 2 @ 9,890 :)
#5 Day of Defeat: Source @ 3,925
#6 Day of Defeat @ 3,356
#7 Half-Life DeathMatch @ 1,998
#8 Half-Life 2: Deathmatch @ 1,604
#9 Earth's Special Forces @ 1,321
#10 Garry's Mod @ 939
#11 fortressforever @ 710
#12 TeamFortress Classic @ 530


http://www.steampowered.com/v/index.php?area=stats&

[beano]

it seems ff is still gonna be stuck with what little was left of tfc.. on the other hand.. TF2 IS SICK

[OhGr]

I'm at the point today where I am really feeling the CP maps , yes the respawn delay sucks, yes its beta , yes yes yes I know I know but Goddamn 24 ppl goin ape shit in CP maps on this with the volume up and some booze omgoodness.. sex time!

[NecMo]

I think TF2 is pretty damn awesome...maybe not worth all the insane buildup, but a very fun game.

and LOL @ #9 Earth's Special Forces @ 1,321 being ahead of TFC and FF

[PHISH]

it's big in japan :P

[schtoofa]

it seems ff is still gonna be stuck with what little was left of tfc.. on the other hand.. TF2 IS SICK

FF out for 5 days, TF2 for 1? hasty judgment imo but w/e! as long as people playing are having fun, let the people play :)

[ruker]

I dont get how people are able to pass judgement on the game within 24 hours of it being out. Give it time, people will discover new tricks and im sure that aspects of gameplay will become skill based. I think it was Milo that said it best: "you act like you loaded up tfc and immediately bhopped into another universe."

People ran in straight lines when tfc started and the gameplay had NO resemblance to what it is today. Patience.

I'm pretty sure Milo said that in response to someone saying bhop in FF was hard/weird. And TFC has/had bhop, so obviously it wasn't the same from beginning to end, people had to master it...therefore it changed.

[Stayne]

I played for about 45 min on dustbowl in TF2. Since everything is so slow, no team ever captured the final CP. In fact, we went back and forth for several rounds with no team even got the first CP. We went back and forth on the first CP only... 1/3 of the map was never even played.

Oh sure.. you're going to say we just didn't have good enough teamwork. I know, I know... We each had good enough teamwork on D though.

As for leagues, I can see CTF moving into FF, and the AD league moving onto TF2. Players can play both games in the game type they were made for. Let's face it, CTF in TF2 is gonna really suck monkey balls.

[ODAY]

respawn timer?... RESPAWN TIMER?! excuse me? are you fucking serious... im not even installing the peice of shit game fuck that shit


how is someone supposed to run flags when waiting in the spawn for 15-30 secounds at a fucking time this shit is fucking ridiculas ... i hate it already

[MoonGuardian]

respawn timer?... RESPAWN TIMER?! excuse me? are you fucking serious... im not even installing the peice of shit game fuck that shit


how is someone supposed to run flags when waiting in the spawn for 15-30 secounds at a fucking time this shit is fucking ridiculas ... i hate it already

hush oday. try it first, knock it later, but keep this in mind when you play it. There is a reason only ONE map out of the six released is CTF... try playing a few CP, or the TC maps firsts.

[elwood-]

it's big in japan :P

hahahahahaha

TF2 is pretty fucking hilarious and fun. i cant wait to see what the community develops into :cool:

[ODAY]

hush oday. try it first, knock it later, but keep this in mind when you play it. There is a reason only ONE map out of the six released is CTF... try playing a few CP, or the TC maps firsts.

no i wont even fucking install it if the actual game has a spawn timer ... no fucking way and i HATE adl style TF play i always have and i always will so no fuck you mewn <3

[__Mad]

good, TF2 doesn't want your dumbass anyways

[FINAL]

you're just an angry little guy arent you oday :P

hi mad

[__Mad]

Oh hay thar steve-o

[busdriver]

FF out for 5 days, TF2 for 1? hasty judgment imo but w/e! as long as people playing are having fun, let the people play :)

exactly lol, TF2 out 1 day and has 12x more players playing. I like FF gameplay wayyyy more than tf2 though, but the community is obviously just gonna be mostly old/current TFCers

[shaggy]

Oh lol, I'm sorry. Yes CS requires no skill and has no learning curve, how silly of me... Please continue...

Admitting your mistake is the first step....

[shaggy]

exactly lol, TF2 out 1 day and has 12x more players playing. I like FF gameplay wayyyy more than tf2 though, but the community is obviously just gonna be mostly old/current TFCers

I believe those #'s only indicate the difference in advertising budgets. Six months to a year from now will be a better indicator of the situation at hand. I've yet to play TF2 b/c i'm waiting for the October release. And I've only played FF for 2 hours. Right now I can say for certain nothing ever will compare to tfc in my eyes.

[beano]

i love it.. ODAY complains of a spawn timer in which he has never played with, and does not even think hard enough that this IS a beta and that is a server-side cvar, SO you can change it, which I am sure will most likely be the case in leagueplay, and organized pubs.

[}tHoL{-Bout2plucku]

I played for about 45 min on dustbowl in TF2. Since everything is so slow, no team ever captured the final CP. In fact, we went back and forth for several rounds with no team even got the first CP. We went back and forth on the first CP only... 1/3 of the map was never even played.

Oh sure.. you're going to say we just didn't have good enough teamwork. I know, I know... We each had good enough teamwork on D though.

As for leagues, I can see CTF moving into FF, and the AD league moving onto TF2. Players can play both games in the game type they were made for. Let's face it, CTF in TF2 is gonna really suck monkey balls.

i was thinking cp3 would be impossible too until i kept working with a heavy as medic and we eventually won.

[MERKiN-fS-]

I think it was Milo that said it best: "you act like you loaded up tfc and immediately bhopped into another universe."

You didn't? I came from Quake, so yeah... I did ;D


I speak for myself here, and I haven't played this TF2... and I won't. But like I've always said it doesn't look like it will be able to be a competitive game. It will be a pub game for new commers that never played TFC/Quake any of those games. Which is fine by me, let them play the pub_version of TFC. Whatever, regardless of how juvenile this game appears, it's bringing people BACK to the community. Now just kill both games, and start TFC back up. FF is TFC on Steroids, and TF2 is TFC for newbies. Maybe i should play it eh?

[[TDA]Phaser]

hmm mixed feelings on TF2 at the moment for me.

pros:

- Presentation is top notch...graphics and feel to the game are like nothing else.
- New style of playing...definately have to work more closely with your teammates on the CP maps
- Classes all have their strenghts and weaknesses
- Crit hits are pretty cool

Cons:

- God awfully slow...i hate just walking in straight lines and firing - it feels so 2-dimensional.
- Demoman (imo) took a change for the worse. No detpack, or grenades (thus no demolition)...even in the one trailer it shows the demo chucking a mirv at an SG, wonder what happened. Sticky grenades are meh...
- Classes are unbalanced....got 2-3 shotted by a scout several times while playing as a soldier. Supercharged HW is disgusting (althought i admit is fun). I sat infront of the 3rd resup on Dustbowl with 2 medics and killed 15 guys before getting dropped.


I'm undecided yet as to what i think....i mean it seems fun but it's not like the other TF games. From the orignal TF throughTFC, the thing that separated the hardcore players from the pubbers was the ability to master movement and speed...this just doesn't feel like what i'm use to. It will definatley be great in a sense to introduce a whole group of new players to the TF genre. But I think this will be what separates who stays in FF and who goes to TF2.

[Jackal_]

Agree with Phaser. And i withdraw my statement saying you can't pass judgement on a game this quickly because i did the same thing too lol.

[GhOsT]

You didn't? I came from Quake, so yeah... I did ;D


I speak for myself here, and I haven't played this TF2... and I won't. But like I've always said it doesn't look like it will be able to be a competitive game. It will be a pub game for new commers that never played TFC/Quake any of those games. Which is fine by me, let them play the pub_version of TFC. Whatever, regardless of how juvenile this game appears, it's bringing people BACK to the community. Now just kill both games, and start TFC back up. FF is TFC on Steroids, and TF2 is TFC for newbies. Maybe i should play it eh?

After playing for a few hours last night IMO clan matches will be more about team strategies and less about individual skill (though obviously there will always be people who are better at things than others). Which IMO is a good thing since it'll help get more people involved in clanning and it'll also mean clans will have to actually work together more. No more sending 3-4 medics on offense constantly where they mostly just are on their own.

[OhGr]

Agree with Phaser. And i withdraw my statement saying you can't pass judgement on a game this quickly because i did the same thing too lol.

Thnx for understanding :) but as time goes on I am putting the effort in to adapt to a new style cause well this game has become "fun" and Refreshing. I won't say it's the best cause well TFC to me was THE BEST back in the day, but now I think this is ranking up there in my top fav's. Now the wait to see what happens league wise n such, the maps at least CP ones show GREAT potential for League play like ADL but the game does need some tweakage on damage per classes.

[dylan]

the respawn timer is a way the creators of TF2 could force teams into launching bigger attacks on the defense thus moving pace of play so there are less stalemates on certain caps.

that said, it is fine with me for pubs but once matchplay begins it will be a handicap because offense can coordinate and don't need to all spawn at the same time. this is why I think it should be a server side command.

ALL of that said, TF2 is a great game and I'll be playing it ALONG WITH Fortress Forever.

[VoteSatan]

basically every tf2 defender's comments seem to say "i'm mad at the old TFC community" when you read between the lines.

[_loche]

not rly

[Sutterkane]

basically every ff fanboy's comments seem to say "i'm mad at the old TFC community" when you read between the lines.

fixed.

Once again, another ff guy that can't get it through their skull that POSSIBLY, after 8 years of the exact same game, players want something completely different. There's a reason why a lot of people stopped playing tfc, and it wasn't because of the graphics. People got tired of having to play almost all the time to stay decent at it. They also didn't like the idea that to "take their game to the next level" they would have to devote countless hours to it.

[sExAh]

FF = the suck TF2 way better

[VoteSatan]

"completely different" in this case seems to be a sequel where things have been taken out instead of added. that is what is confusing the rest of us. we don't know why you like playing the incredibles at a decreased pace. that is the whole debate.

[Bad Luck]

Because it is different, has more players, and runs more smoothly. Also, I love the incredibles.